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Where does Giannis rank all-time following the 2021 NBA Finals?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by HardenVolumeOne, Jul 24, 2021.

  1. roslolian

    roslolian Rockets Only Fan
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    Draymond Green would've been in the same situation, in a deep ass team with Klay, another all star, Kerr, and a deep bench.

    Regardless whether it was Curry, Lillard, Irving or whoever, I fail to see how DGreen wouldnt have been an all star as his defense, passing and 3 pt would've still been there.

    If Curry was the only reason Green was an All Star then Green shoul've been an All Star this year right? Clearly a large part of Green being an All Star was his own play, as long as that other all star was also a spacer Green would still be an all star.
     
  2. fadeaway

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    Ahead of Karl Malone. :D Or at least, he should be. :p
     
  3. durvasa

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    I’d like to see it separated, because people have differing opinions on how much weight to apply to RS vs PS. There’s no objective answer to how much each should be valued. I’m not against including a combined ranking, but would like to see the separated ones as well.
     
  4. Asian Sensation

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    The ONLY reason why you like the list is cause your bum loser hero supposedly ahead of Curry. 99.9% of the population with a functioning brain knows that’s absolute BS.
     
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    daywalker02 Easter Egg Hunter - Tell me why? نحن عائلة

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    I would not worry about Yannis, dude is the new darling of the league.
     
  6. wekko368

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    Draymond Green benefits from playing with the GOAT off-ball player. Lillard and Irving are more on-ball players. Green's passing would be diminished if he were playing with on-ball stars.

    And his 3pt percentage speaks for itself. It's laughable that you brought it up.

    Curry isn't the only reason, but he's the most important reason.

    The two ways a player possibly becomes an all-star are 1) impressive statistics 2) major contributions to a top team.

    The Warriors had a poor supporting cast this year so there's no way #2 had a chance. And Draymond Green doesn't have impressive stats so #1 is a non-starter.

    This statement contradicts itself.
     
  7. Fefo

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    Karl malone is probably more on the top 30 ( close to 30) than top 15. This lists are wathever.
     
  8. francis 4 prez

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    if giannis doesn't undercut kyrie, he's a laughingstock and the bucks are trying to solve the same 'ol problems. now he has a 50 spot in a finals game after undoubtedly the most injury affected postseason of all time (even his own injury coincided with trae young also being out to cancel it out). is the fact he won all that matters? does the context have to be considered with a huge grain of salt. i suppose future years will let us know. if he adds more, this was a stepping stone. if he doesn't it will be viewed as a fluke, which to some degree it will always be.
     
  9. Sanctity

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    In what way? He deserved it.
     
  10. astrosrule

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    Lol what?
     
  11. oogie boogie

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    What Giannis has done in his career is very impressive, and the only thing is is missing is longevity (career stats.)

    No matter how you slice it, Giannis is one of the best offensive players in the league AND one of the best defensive players in the league. There are a lot of guys in league history who are either really good at one thing and great at the other, but not many who are great at both. And rarely are they able to maintain it for a single season let alone multiple consecutive seasons. LeBron, Jordan, Kareem, Hakeem, and some more that I'm not gonna try to think of at the moment. The list really is small though.

    It's hard to compare Giannis to retired players, and unfair to both him and others but it is also true that he deserves to be mentioned up there. When it's all said and done, assuming he continues to have the longevity of someone like Hakeem and Duncan, then he'll probably finish consensus top-15 of all time with ranges of 6-15 depending on the person's list. At the moment he's somewhere top-30 which is really good mid-way his career. But it's a big assumption that Giannis continues to be elite. Shaq could have finished as the greatest player of all time maybe, but because of the way he approached the game he peaked when he was like 28.

    I think this is the only in-his-prime championship he wins though because of #SuperTeams.
     
  12. RKREBORN

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    I don't think anyone here cares about what people say on realgm.com
     
  13. HardenVolumeOne

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    what stats or metrics do you have to state your case. Or is it just your opinion
     
  14. Milos

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    I will forever detest the loathsome Mailman and all the degenerate Jizzholes from Utah but ....

    Kinda hard to argue against him as one of top 3-5 PFs of all-time
    Of guys I've seen play, only Duncan & KG were clearly better
    Davis & Giannis will probably pass him at some point
    Easily better than Barkley, etc among his contemporaries (85-00)

    No rings, but lost in Finals twice to GOAT, and made playoffs every year for 2 decades, rarely bowing out in the 1st rd

    The stats and ind awards speak for themselves
     
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    Lol how many people voted Draymond Green as an allstar because of his PASSING????

    I agree with you on 2 reasons why a person becomes an all star. So DG would still be an all star given his contributions to a top team. Take out Curry, put in KD/Lebron/Lillard/Harden/Irving etc barring injury that GSW team is still a top team. And with that top team unless that other dude is also a big man then DG would still be extremely impactful hence he would still be an all star.


    Again Curry isnt the largest reason DG became an all star other wise DG would be an all star now since he got Curry. The biggest reason was his play back then, 2nd biggest reason is GSW was stacked sk his contris got recognized.
     
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    So the greatest shooter of all time and the most impactful player of the best team of all time is not in the top25. Great list!

    But go Bob Cousy! A career 37.5% 2-PT shooter! (34.2% in the playoffs)...

    How long are we going to protect the feelings of the players from the 60s and disrespect the real legends of the game? You can give those guys statues, but please don't include these guys drafted in the all-white drafts in the GOAT conversations.
     
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    Come on, Giannis is good, but he might not even be top 50 right now. Too early to judge anyway.
     
  18. wekko368

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    Everyone?

    Elite defense alone doesn't cut it.

    Do you remember how GSW performed when Durant was healthy and Curry was out? Curry is the engine of the offense and the GOAT shooter/off-ball player. You can't swap him out so easily.

    In fact, your logic is horrible. By virtue of Curry being off-ball, DG is allowed to be on-ball which inflates his stats. And you think that replacing Curry with an on-ball star won't hurt Draymond Green?

    Please, use some critical thinking.
     
  19. Sanctity

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    He defended, scored, rebounded and set up plays. The best all around player for the Warriors in the Finals.
     
  20. wekko368

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    His resume is good enough to be in the top 50. 2 MVPs, a DPOY, and a FMVP.
     

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