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Where do you draw the line - transgender

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by droxford, Feb 7, 2023.

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We all draw the line some where. Where do you draw the line?

  1. Society should refer to transgenders using their preferred pronouns

    19 vote(s)
    29.2%
  2. Definitions ("man", "woman", "gender", & "sex") should be changed/eliminated due to transgenders

    2 vote(s)
    3.1%
  3. It should be permissible for transgenders to share restroom/locker room with their identified gender

    14 vote(s)
    21.5%
  4. Transgenders should be able to participate in athletic & other competitions based on their identity

    6 vote(s)
    9.2%
  5. Transgenders should qualify for loans, grants, scholarships, & admissions based on their identity

    8 vote(s)
    12.3%
  6. Gender-specific organizations should be required to accept transgendrs based on their gender idntity

    7 vote(s)
    10.8%
  7. Historical medical records & birth certificats should be changed to only show transgenders' indntity

    4 vote(s)
    6.2%
  8. Transgenders <16 yrs should be able to hve sex-reassignmnt surgery/pubrty blockrs w/o parent consent

    2 vote(s)
    3.1%
  9. The U.S. government should provide finances for sex-reassigned surgeries and puberty-blocking drugs

    4 vote(s)
    6.2%
  10. None of the above

    44 vote(s)
    67.7%
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    Sounds like a scam.
     
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    From that article:
    - Some NJ trans inmates receive sex-reassignment surgeries while in prison
    - The state says it provides ‘appropriate physical and mental health care deemed medically necessary by health care providers’
    - Untreated gender dysphoria means higher risk of depression, anxiety, suicide, advocates say



    NJ spent approximately $91k per incarcerated person in fiscal year 2022. With 14,708 people incarcerated, that totaled $1.3 billion. $467k is negligible, particularly when it's deemed medically necessary. This shouldn't be an issue unless someone harbors hate against transgender people.
     
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    “Deemed medically necessary” is doing a lot of work there Wendy, as is “negligible”.
     
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    What these adults do with their bodies and what health care providers deem medically necessary doesn't impact you one bit. Not sure why you are so transphobic.
     
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    Jeremy Lin fans walk into the women's bathroom all the time
     
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    Arguably unconstitutional, on equal protection and parental rights grounds, particularly if it's a real diagnosis by doctors by a disorder recognized in that official DSM book. Regarding the EP issue, the state would have more legs to stand on if it actually banned other surgeries for minors without regard to parental consent, like elective breast implants, all which require lifetime surgeries.
     
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    One joke
     
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    The big, ugly government. This law will likely end up causing more harm to children, including child deaths, rather than protecting children. What I find morally repulsive is the underlying hatred disguised as protecting children.
     
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    The ban prohibits gender-affirming medications like puberty blockers and hormone treatments for minors. These medications are similar to other medical treatments that minors can access with parental consent, as they all have potential side effects and long-term impacts, however slim. Banning only gender-affirming care is inconsistent. For the law to be consistent and as you stated, more leg to stand on, wouldn't it also need to ban other medications regardless of parental consent. Clearly that is an untenable position, which reveals the underlying weakness in this discriminatory law.
     
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    Not according to the Texas Supreme Court.

    You can always try to take it to the US Supreme Court.
     
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    Apologies for being unclear. On Texas Constitutional grounds, it's currently under appeal and will be heard, but the law is allowed to go into effect. On national constitutional grounds, it's currently going to be ruled on in the 6th circuit. There are many laws similar to Texas, mostly in the South, and opposite laws in liberal states. There will be multiple circuit court contradictory rulings, so this will be fast tracked to SCOTUS, who will define the limits of trans rights vs what states can do vs what parents and doctors can do.

    Historically, there have been many state laws that were not in violation of state constitutions that were later determined to be in violation of the national constitution. These things varied from marriage rights to parental rights to even needing a warrant before the police can search your home.
     
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    I view this as an issue of child protection, not an issue of "trans rights". Children cannot validly consent to these life-altering procedures crazy and woke parents subject them to.
     
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    Scotus may ultimately rule that way. Different federal judges from different states have already disagreed on this. We'll see what happens. It's not a simple subject with all these intersecting interests.
     
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    The Texas Supreme Court has not yet issued its final ruling.

    Texas Supreme Court Allows Transgender Medical Ban to Begin - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    A lower court moved last week to temporarily block implementation of the new law, finding that the plaintiffs were likely to succeed in their challenge on state constitutional grounds. But that decision was immediately appealed by the attorney general to the Texas Supreme Court, an action that prevented the lower court’s injunction from taking effect.

    The state’s highest court has not yet ruled on the appeal, and on Thursday it denied an emergency application to block the law from going into effect on schedule on Sept. 1. The request was made by the plaintiffs, including transgender minors, their parents and several rights groups, including Lambda Legal and the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas.
     
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    So take away all children's surgeries and medicines.

    FL law also bans or restricts access to gender-affirming treatment for adults. You are against that, then?
     

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