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Where are these votes coming from?? Anyone?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by DUDE, Nov 9, 2000.

  1. DUDE

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    If we are 'finding' all these votes for both Bush and Gore in Florida, then where are they coming from? Why werent they counted the first time? If this state is wrong, what about another close state? Could the other votes in other states be wrong?
    Lots of questions with this election...


    I DO think that the next president, whoever it is, and the congress NEEDS to pass a law that says EXIT POLLING is against the law. If it wasnt for the networks calling the state wrong twice, especially when the called the election for Bush at the end, then I dont think we would have had this big a problem.

    One more thing to think about. HAd the votes been in earlier in the night, and Bush had won it then also, do you think this would have happened? I mean if FLorida had been awarded to Bush before the western half of the US was decided, NO ONE would have cared what happened in Florida. But since it is THE deciding it has been brought to our attention.

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  2. Lord Tree

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    Actually, according to Florida state law, there has to be a recount on an election this close.

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  3. DUDE

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    Yeah, I can understand the recount. But I dont understand where all the new votes are coming from. When it was reported as being final on Wednesday morning it was reported that Bush won by 1700 votes.
    Just now they are saying it is down to 799 votes.
    So I am wondering where the other votes were essentially 'hiding'?

    It was reported that some votes Stuck together, therefore only one was counted. It was also reported that it could be happening now. LOL This is crazy. So if Bush loses this, can he ask for a recount?

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  4. gr8-1

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    New votes were brought in by Warren Christopher. I guess Jeb went out for a sandwich so Christopher slipped them in. Let's hope he punched the right hole also.

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    I wish exit polling would be stopped, but anything you try to do can be challenged by the 1st amendment probably.



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    I'll agree with you on this. Where are they coming from? 20-30 votes is plausible, but more than that? Doesn't make sense. Imagine if they count these things by hand. Talk about human error becoming a possible factor. And then we have a republican and democrat sitting and looking at each ballot together... Making a decision.... My god.

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    This thing is a wreck, Whoever wins will be accused of cheating no matter what AND it will probably be true!!!


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  8. Major

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    They are coming from the different counting methods. In manual counting, there are *always* errors. Ballots stuck together, etc. (I know people that voted counted here in Austin and it was a similar situation) Remember, if they find 3000 new votes out of 6 million, that's only one stuck ballot for every 2000 found ballots.

    This happens all the time -- if you did this around the country, you'd have more total votes. However, no state is really close enough to make a difference, so we don't bother. If Gore wins Florida, look for Wisconsin to be re-counted as well.

    It is a bit strange that the majority of them are Gore votes, except that I think some of the big Gore counties have reported already, so that makes sense too.


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  9. DUDE

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    Imagine what Reps are thinking in states like Wisconsin and Michigan, where I think they were close.

    This is opening up a can of worms. I DO think we need to keep the electoral college, or something VERY similar. (it gives people in smaller states the same importance as the bigger states). If we were just using the Popular vote, why would anyone go anywhere other than Texas, California, New York, and FLorida?

    However, I think that the counting process has to change. With the HUGE changes in votes coming in now, we are being shown that even though we are in the Technology world, we still use ancient means to count the votes. We need to use more friendly means, such as a TOUCH SCREEN that you type in your voting number and then vote, as then it will Automatically COUNT it right then. Of course, Hacking might be a REAL problem using that idea.

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    By Florida law a recount is mandatory if the election is within 1/2 of 1%. The Demos did not demand a recount, the state did.

    Now are there similar laws in place for Wisconsin and Michigan?


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    As old as Christopher is, he probably added a bunch for Buchanan, too. [​IMG]



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  12. gr8-1

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    Hush, you no good Republican [​IMG]. I voted for Gore, and best case scenario, I hope Gore wins. But if Bush wins, I sure hope it's by a pretty big margin. This really is unfortunate.



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  13. Jeff

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    Shanna is exactly right. This is VERY common. The main difference is that it has NEVER been this close. Votes are lost all the time and it normally won't matter because of the wide margin.

    Think of it this way...

    If you have 6 million votes and 6000 of them are incorrectly counted, that only amounts to 1/10th of one percent. That is not enough to change 99.99% of national elections.

    These numbers are simply unique and close. It is really quite fascinating.

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    Dude,

    NBC last night said exactly what Shanna did -- that the difference is due to ballots being stuck together, and the different counting methods used.

    Election night, they feed the tickets in batches through a computerized counting system, so an occasional ticket will get stuck. On the recount, three people witness the ballots being hand fed through a tabulator, and the process is conducted three times to ensure an accurate count.

    The "extra" ballots come out to something like 1 stuck per 1000 tickets, which wouldn't make any difference under "normal" circumstances.

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