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Where are the TV viewers?

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  1. bamaslammer

    bamaslammer Member

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    I read this and I think I have a few reasons why network TV is bleeding viewers.
    1. Most guys like myself mostly watch sports and don't have the time/patience to get into watching a series.
    2. Reality TV is finally becoming old and stale to viewers
    3. As Bruce Springsteen said: "There's (2)57 channels and nothing on."
    4. It is pure titilation without any substance or value. I don't allow my children to watch network TV at night because most of it runs countercurrent to our values.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/22/business/media/22ADCO.html?ex=1067486400&en=82f335c3c62caef9&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

    Few Viewers and Network Executives Scratch Their Heads
    By BILL CARTER

    Published: October 22, 2003


    S the ratings have rolled in for the first three weeks of the new television season, one question has dominated the conversations inside the industry's executive suites: what the heck is going on?

    Network executives are baffled by a season unlike any seen before. Returning hit shows like "Friends" and "E.R." are losing significant numbers of viewers from previous years. New shows have performed far worse than almost anyone expected, a result capped off Monday night when the Fox network started two shows that had received huge promotional pushes during the baseball playoffs, "The Next Joe Millionaire" and "Skin," and they posted crushingly disappointing numbers. And men between 18 and 24 are apparently deserting television in droves. So far this year nearly 20 percent fewer men in that advertiser-friendly demographic are watching television during prime time than during the same period last year.

    The drop-off in these viewing figures tabulated by Nielsen Media Research is inexplicable to industry executives. "Frankly what we're seeing strains credulity," said Alan Wurtzel, the president of research for NBC.

    Executives are demanding an explanation from Nielsen for these discrepancies, which, if they continue, could leave the networks on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars in so-called make-goods, free commercials to make up for falling short of guarantees to advertisers. A permanent decline in television viewership could jeopardize the broadcast and cable networks' advertising bonanza, which reached a record $15 billion in national advertising commitments for this season.

    Jack Loftus, the corporate spokesman for Nielsen, said the ratings company had assiduously checked its data and was confident the numbers were accurate. He said that while the drop in young men watching television was highly unusual, it was real. Mr. Loftus said Nielsen was examining several possibilities to explain the decline, including some unexpectedly high use of video games and DVD players by the young men now absent from television, and even the possibility that a certain number of the young men who are supposed to be in the sample may have been called to duty in Iraq by the National Guard.

    Mr. Loftus said another factor might be the improvement in Nielsen's techniques for selecting viewers, so that some people who signed up might not necessarily be heavy television viewers, where earlier the Nielsen sample was dominated by those who watched a lot of television.

    Steve Sternberg, a research executive in the advertising industry as senior vice president for Magna Global USA, said the situation "is certainly a mystery." But he said that the make-good issue would probably not become acute for a while. "Everybody at this point is saying let's see what happens when baseball gets finished," Mr. Sternberg said.

    Network executives said none of Nielsen's explanations so far could explain the suddenness of the viewing drop-off and its concentration in just one demographic group.

    "You can't explain a 12 percent decline in men 18 to 34 or close to 20 percent in men 18 to 24 by saying they're playing a lot more video games," said David F. Poltrack, the executive vice president for research at CBS.

    He added, "The fact that it's concentrated in one small age group makes it worse, and even more likely that it's an aberration."

    Mr. Wurtzel had another suspicion, having to do with who is chosen for the Nielsen sample. He said that Nielsen tends to skip homes where the equipment may be extremely complicated to wire, and that with more homes now adding digital boxes and satellite dishes, those homes might be skipped more often, meaning heavy viewers of television are being systematically excluded.

    A Nielsen executive said the skipping over of such homes was rare.

    One possible factor is more basic, Mr. Sternberg said — the quality of the new shows. "I've always noticed that we never hear anybody talking about the programming." He noted that the networks, which still tend to drive the overall viewing figures, have suffered though a grim start to their new prime-time season. "What has anybody put on that's going to appeal to young men?" Mr. Sternberg asked.

    The answer was not much, even before the Fox network's belly-flop Monday night. Fox has been on the programming sidelines most of the fall because of its coverage of postseason baseball.

    Until Fox really started to compete, several executives said last week, the question of a fall-off in young male viewers could not be fairly assessed because Fox is the network that most appeals to that group.

    But that group did not show up on Monday for Fox — and neither did most anyone else. The poor performance of "Joe Millionaire" could not be attributed to the shortfall in young men because all categories of viewers that once liked it seem to have stayed away.

    "Joe Millionaire," whose finale was the most-watched entertainment show last season, came back using a group of foreign women as the butt of the joke that the man they are trying to land is not a millionaire.

    The show's ratings were the fraud this time. "Joe Millionaire" attracted only 6.8 million viewers Monday night. The debut episode last year drew 18.6 million viewers. Its finale reached 40 million viewers.

    That performance hurt the drama that followed it, "Skin," a Romeo-and-Juliet story set against the backdrop of the adult entertainment industry. It drew only 6.3 million viewers, far behind all its network competition. Fox's performance Monday night prompted a pep talk to the staff from Sandy Grushow, the chairman of Fox Entertainment.

    Gail Berman, the president of Fox Entertainment, acknowledged that the network was disappointed, though she said "Joe Millionaire" might grow as it goes along. She also pledged to run "Skin" in other time periods to build an audience for it.

    But the numbers were sobering, she conceded. "We've now experienced a taste of what our competitors have been through this fall," Ms. Berman said.

    Mr. Sternberg summed up the state of television at the moment: "No one knows what's going on."
     
  2. Lil

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    internet, tivo, and movies-on-demand.
     
  3. Rockets2K

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    the answer is pretty basic.

    You put crap on tv...no one will watch.
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The only television I watch consistently besides sports and the news is HBO.

    It's not TV, It's HBO
     
  5. A-Train

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    Maybe this is the signaling the end of the reality show fad. The newest fad in TV are the home improvement/home decorating shows...Queer Eye, Trading Spaces, Monster House, etc...

    Producers fell in love with reality shows because of their low production costs. Get a bunch of no-names that you pay either little or nothing, and you're guaranteed to make money. Well, they're quickly running out of ideas for those shows, and it's showing

    As for "Skin". Well, sex only sells if it's put together with decent acting and good storylines.

    ER still kicks ass. Too bad it will be pre-empted again this week by baseball...
     
  6. Rocket River

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    I cannot beleive they brought up guys going to war

    Rocket River
     
  7. Rockets2K

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    I havent watched ER in ages, but it didnt get moved to Fox did it?

    Cause Fox is the channel that is carrying baseball...

    Monster House....cool show. I prefer Monster Garage tho, it appeals to the gearhead in me. :)
     
  8. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Nope, but last week, NBC decided to show reruns of all their shows instead of competing with baseball.
     
  9. Rockets2K

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    Ah so...so I guess I'm not the nly one who wishes the damn baseball season would hurry up and end. They keep pre-empting the Simpsons on Sundays..:mad:

    makes me wish I actually cared about who wins...but I dont.
     
  10. wouldabeen23

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    They hit it in the arcticle, but.....X-Box on-line, DVD's and HBO baby!! Why watch Joe MIllionaire when I've got The Sopranos and Six Feet under??

    BTW, Return to Castle Wolfenstein on X-Box live is about the best reason to turn your TV on...
     
  11. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

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    I'm glad this is occurring. Perhaps it will force the networks to take a hard look at what they are programming. There isn't a single show on any of the major networks that I care to watch.
     
  12. ima_drummer2k

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    When Friends hit it big (I still don't get that horrible show), there were a bunch of copycat shows. Then Who Wants to be a Millionaire hit, and quiz shows popped up everywhere. Then Survivor, and the reality shows popped up.

    Like A-Train said, the home improvement style show is the current fad, so look for all kinds of copycat shows in the future.

    As for me, I pretty much just watch sports, news, A & E, and Comedy Central. Oh, and Joe Schmo. :D
     
  13. outlaw

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    No it's not. NBC has "promised" to air last week's new episodes that got pre-empted this week for The West Wing, Friends, Scrubs, Will & Grace and ER.

    I guess they figure no one cares about Yankees-Marlins.
     
  14. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Sweet.

    Hey, I was thinking about you today. That bastid Roger never called me. There's 45 minutes of my life I'll never get back. :D
     
  15. A-Train

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    Awwwwwww, yeah! Can't wait to see what happens with Deb and Dr. Pratt....and hopefully another cussing match between Romano and Weaver!
     
  16. outlaw

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    really? jeezus. i'm so sorry man. i'm sending you an email.
     
  17. mrpaige

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    That's been the reason I haven't been watching television.

    It wasn't that long ago that there was something on every night I wanted to watch.

    Now, there are whole days when there's just nothing. I've got no shows on Mondays, none on Tuesdays., etc.

    And shows I used to watch have just gone on too long. I used to love ER, but I haven't watched it in years (since Carol left, actually). I used to watch Friends, but last year, I found myself getting bored with it, and I didn't make it a point to watch when it came on this season. The West Wing hasn't been able to hold my interest.

    Meanwhile, shows that I did make it a point to see are quickly canceled. Andy Richter Controls the Universe? Sorry, you can't have that.

    On the other hand, I've liked the changes at the Practice (including moving it back to Sundays) and have started watching that again after abandoning it last season. Alias, which seemed to drag for me last season, has been good so far this year.

    But the two shows I watch most regularly are two shows which I am probably outside their target demographic (Smallville and Angel) and am, therefore, not helping them with advertisers.
     
  18. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Skin is against RAW (fairly popular amongst young men) and everyone learned after the first Joe Millionaire that they give him a bunch of money at the end so it isn't quite the bait and switch they make it out to be.

    So far I have only watched one of the new shows on network TV, Tarzan on the WB. It is fair. I think the new season of Angel has been great so far (although they probably didn't need a werewolf ep since there were 2 1/2 on Buffy), and bringing back Spike was a great idea.

    On HBO youv'e got Carnivale, which has been very good, if a bit weird and sometimes hard to follow. The way HBO runs their programming (usually 12 eps per show per season and bringing in more shows) is a great idea. Trying to copy that format on regular TV where there is not so much time devoted to movies may not work though.

    As mentioned above, the biggest problem is that 99% of the programming on TV is crap. Unfortunately, putting out good product is hardly a guarantee of success. I would suggest less restrictions (allow anything on network television like they do on HBO) and longer (but fewer) commercial blocks. Also, scrap any show that makes mention of the words Marry, Survivor, Idol, Millionaire, Brother, or Friends in the title.
     

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