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What's the difference between "building team around Yao" and just "building team"?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

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    Some people have complained about Morey still trying to "build a team around Yao" despite his injury history.

    My question is what does "building a team around Yao" even mean? Is it any different than just "building a basketball team"?

    As far as I can tell, there is little to no difference. Can you tell me any specific moves the Rockets made which they wouldn't have made if they were "just building a team" rather than "building a team around Yao"?

    Can you tell me any moves which they could have made but they didn't make because they were "building around Yao" rather than "just building a team"?

    I keep on hearing this "building the team around Yao" deal, but can't figure out what it means in terms of moves made during the last year or so.
     
  2. foo82

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    It's not that hard. You find players that compliment Yao and won't cause a disruption with Yao, meaning he's #1.
     
  3. napalm06

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    Also it increases the value of guys who just play good 'matador defense', and it makes outside shooting a higher weighted criteria when valuing players.

    It's essentially just team building, but it changes the value of certain traits in relation to others.
     
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  4. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

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    Does Lebron James or Chris Bosh "compliment" or even "complement" with Yao and will he cause a disruption?
     
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    Heh, not sure why I left that "also" in there.
     
  6. ASidd_1990

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    Chris Bosh does compliment Yao physically if you catch my drift ;)

    LeBron can compliment Yao in numerous ways, some that I can't mention on a this family friendly board.
     
  7. Ramathorn006

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    What? :confused:
     
  8. RV6

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    i dont think the two are that far apart...for example...it was obvious we needed a two guard who could shoot, but perhaps if we didnt have a yao we would have gone after someone with better defense. Same for Aaron. Or if we didnt have yao maybe we would have gone after a bigger point than Aaron.

    It's also different when you are this far in the building process, as oppose to only a few core players into it. when you're just starting you're going to go for the best you can get and are not as picky. It wouldnt matter as much if martin has d or not. But once you have your core intact, then you compare what you have there in defense to martin's and use that to decide if he's worth it. In our case it was since we have Hill, Yao, chuck, ariza, lowry, and Battier.
     
  9. ASidd_1990

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    Don't act like you don't know what I'm talkin bout!
     
  10. Zboy

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    An orthapedic surgeon.
     
  11. BetterThanEver

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    Building the team around Yao, automatically means you are keeping Yao. Not building around Yao, leaves open the possiblity of trading him away. The Rockets can then move away from this horrible experiment in foot surgeries.
     
  12. Ramathorn006

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    First, to build a team around an NBA player you must analyze their strengths and weaknesses.

    Yao's Strenths

    - Post game
    - Outside shot
    - Size
    - Basketball IQ
    - Passing

    Yao's Weaknesses
    - Poor shot blocker (though he does alter a lot of shots due to his size)
    - Poor conditioning
    - Not agile

    So basically you look for players that do not inhibit his strengths and make up for his weaknesses

    Since Yao takes up so much space down in the paint you really dont want a guy that drives to the basket constantly because Yao's defender will already be in position to block or contest the shot. What you do want is a slasher, a guy who is quick enough to rid his defender for a split second to get an easy shot (ie. Martin, Ariza). With Yao's great passing ability these players make his strengths that much stronger.

    Yao usually demands a lot of double teams, what that leaves is a man open on the perimeter so you want to surround Yao with good shooters (ie Brooks, Martin, Budinger and on some nights Ariza and Battier)

    You also need a trash man because yao sometimes does take on double teams that leaves a rebounder not blocked out therefore you get easy trashket points (Scola, Hill)

    What we are missing to complement Yao is a shot blocker on the weak side. Scola's defense is average at best and and you need someone who can actually swat the crap out of the ball for weak side help (Hills development)

    Basically, we have to player already that complement Yao. Its just a matter of good coaching, hard work and luck that makes the team and championship come together.
     
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    What's the difference between "building a thread around a legitimate topic" and just "building half a page worth of stupid ****ing hollow thought brain-on-maryjane threads"?
     
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    Phrases like "we want to build around Yao" give the impression that we plan on keeping Yao around for a long time, past 2011.

    That worries me. We will never win a championship if we are satisfied with having Yao as our anchor.
     
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    Here's the difference:

    Shane Battier vs Rudy Gay

    If we're "just buiding a team", we keep the higher ceiling Rudy Gay. His talents and style of play would probably not have to "fit" a certain scheme but the scheme would be adjusted to him.

    If we're "building around Yao/(T-Mac)", we make that deal for Battier because his skills compliment the style of play we would run AROUND Yao. An inside/outside perimeter shooter, who brings defense, and other intangibles
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    So, when Yao was out, Battier was uselsess? I seem to recall a playoff series vs Lakers in which the Rockets did well with Battier. I also recall Yao was out during half of the 22 game win streak when the team had Battier.

    And Battier trade was 2006. It's 2010 now... any more recent examples of building around Yao instead of just building a team. Something from 2009 or later would be helpful. Thanks.
     
  17. wallyj12

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    He wasn't useless but he was brought in here to fit a halfcourt offense ran through Yao
     
  18. wallyj12

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    Oh and I thought this thread was an open debate, I didn't realize our replies to your 5 star thread had to meet certain criterion before we got smart ass responses from you, you really should clarify that in your original post so us peons don't make that mistake again. Thanks
     
  19. RV6

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    It doesnt mean he's the anchor. He's huge, literally. Its hard not to build around him in some way. He's got very specific talents/weaknesses, which is why you build around him more than others.
     
  20. srrm

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    Carl,

    You keep up with what Morey says just as much as I do.

    Remember when he said he had been looking to get Kevin Martin for a while, and that one of the biggest reasons was that he helps the team get into the bonus early (fouls).

    Also remember that he said Yao is possibly the best nba player when it comes to playing in the bonus.

    --> player acquisition with Yao in mind.
     

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