There seems to be a lot of different sentiments on the value of Bosh on this board. I just want to see where people stand in general. My personal stance is that Bosh is worth the motherload. And is of the opinion that Yao/Bosh/Martin nucleus for next year is championship caliber. And Morey can scrounge up enough role players to make it work. Note that when I say "fillers", it probably means Battier, Hayes, Andersen, and/or Jeffries. Those are our expiring contracts who are basically expendable.
The fact that my scenario's weakness is simply a mythical clutch ballhandler makes it a lot better than our current team. For example: Miami clutch ballhandler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando clutch ballhandler. Which team is more likely to go to the finals? That said, Adelman's team has always been about TEAM. His Sacramento teams didn't have clutch players. They became "clutch" when the offense produces high quality shots that they make in clutch situations. At its best, the clutch ballhandler in Adelman's offense is the entire team.
better than our current team =/= championship caliber Miami clutch ballhandler = has won a title Orlando clutch ballhandler, teams without a clutch ballhandler, Adelman's Sacramento teams = no title The fact is, every championship team in an era where rules are geared toward perimeter players has had a clutch ballhandler. We can make it to the Western Conference Finals all you want, but I want a championship.
Scola/Brooks/Shane/Jeffries/Knicks picks for Bosh/J.Jack or Calderon and Amir Johnson. I prefer Jarret Jack before Calderon, but I'm not really sure if they also give Amir. J.Jack/Lowry Martin/Chase/Jack Ariza/Chase Bosh/Hill/'10 draft pick Yao/Hayes/Hill
I'm so tired of hearing about Bosh coming to the Rockets every single day...it's never gonna stop is it? Until the day he signs with a team, you're just gonna keep shoving this down my throat aren't you.
Is Billups on the 04 Pistons a clutch ballhandler? It's debatable. I believe a team can win the title without a clutch ballhandler, granted it would be more difficult to do so. That doesn't mean it can't happen. DEFENSE win championships. That's a well known sentiment, and defense does not mean clutch ballhandler.
That's not true. Even the RA-offense-at-its-finest Sacramento Kings had a go-to-player in crunch time. Check the WCF between the Kings and the Lakers, it was Mike Bibby who ran the show when their motion offense stagnates. My point is motion offense doesn't always work and you need certain players with more abilities to bail their team out when they have difficulty executing the game plan. You MUST have at least one reliable ball-handler to go to in clutch situations in the playoffs. It's not like schooling some NBDL teams where you can get most shots through screens and off-ball movements.
Scola isn't getting traded. He is a free agent and will be signed back by the Rox. If we acquire Bosh it will be a trade centered around young talent such as Hill and Budinger, expirings such as Battier and Jeffries, and draft picks.
In my opinion Bosh is definitely not a franchise player and if a team with cap space gets him as their number one guy, they're screwed but I would give up Scola, fillers and maybe a pick. But couldn't you only trade one player when executing a sign-and-trade, the one being signed and traded? If so, I don't see how a deal involving Scola would work.
Personally I'm seeing the Rockets make a move for a backup C instead of gutting the team for one player, but I wouldn't have a problem with this: Ariza, Hill, Jeffries, (+ Armstrong if they want him) and a 1st for Bosh... Otherwise, no need to make a deal. No need to give up rotation players when you have enough assets other than those players to make trades with. You have Martin, Battier and Budinger, so Ariza is expendable and has some value. With the promise Hill is showing, he should have more value to younger and rebuilding teams than Scola, which is fine with me. Jeffries is salary filler and could help defensively.
To get Chris Bosh, and assuming that Yao Ming and Kevin Martin are completely off the table, the Rockets would have to give up the following categories of assets in order to reach the minimum $13.175M in total salary necessary to make a sign-and-trade deal for Bosh (re-signed to the max [for him] of $16.57M): Category A: Salary Filler At least one out of Shane Battier ($7.43M expiring), Jared Jeffries ($6.88M expiring) or Trevor Ariza ($6.32M long term deal). Unless Toronto absolutely loves Ariza, there is little chance that more than one of these guys is included in any package for Bosh unless the Rockets are also taking back another bad contract from Toronto like Marcus Banks. It would just be too much "dead salary" for Toronto's liking. But any Bosh sign-and-trade to Houston MUST include one of these guys. Battier is the most likely candidate here. Category B: Lower Salary Filler I think that it would be very likely, both from a salary and a talent standpoint, that Jordan Hill ($2.67M) would be included in this deal. Also, another "salary filler" player would need to be included. This would possibly include David Andersen ($2.5M) or (if his option is picked up) Chuck Hayes ($2.33M). If the Rockets are desperate enough, Aaron Brooks ($2.01M) would also fall within this category. Even if he is somehow signed and traded himself, Luis Scola would actually fall within this category, no matter how much he signs for. Because Scola would be a Base Compensation Year player, his salary (no matter how high) would only count as about $4M or so in outgoing salary for the Rockets from a salary cap standpoint. Hilton Armstrong is another possibility here if he is signed and traded. He could be re-signed for about $3-3.5M without triggering any base compensation issues. But Toronto probably wouldn't want Armstrong. And Scola probably won't be included based on poor timing issues. He'll want to explore his market value and likely would not want to forego that process to help the Rockets expeditiously get a Bosh deal done before Bosh bolts for a team with cap space. Category C: Cheap Young Talent/Future Assets While Jordan Hill and Aaron Brooks were mentioned above in Category B, this category would include players like Chase Budinger ($825k) or the player selected by the Rockets in the 2010 draft (if the 13th pick, ~$1.82M). Remember, the draft takes place BEFORE the Rockets can even talk to Bosh, so this would be Morey's selection, not the Raptors'. As for future assets, the Rockets have their own future first round picks (including the higher of theirs and the Knicks' pick in 2011), the Knicks' 2012 first round pick, the higher of the Rockets' and the Clippers' second round pick in 2011, and the draft rights to well-regarded international prospects Sergio Llull and Lior Eliyahu. These assets, while valuable, have a value of $0 for salary-matching purposes. Bottom line: It will take something from each of the above categories in order to get a Bosh sign-and-trade deal done. I don't think Scola will be included without some seriously intense negotiations with Scola's agent come July 1 and some wishful thinking. In the end, IF Toronto is willing to play ball (which is no given at all), you may see a package like the following (the "/" meaning an "either-or" situation): Shane Battier/Jared Jeffries Jordan Hill David Andersen/Chuck Hayes 2010 first round pick selection Knicks' 2012 pick
I'll just say I'm EXTREMELY glad the majority of you will never run an NBA team, specifically this one.
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How about LeBron James talk? Hey LeBron, you want to be global? How the over billion people in China who will swoon over you as you play next to global icon Yao Ming? Interest you? Money? Well, tell Cleveland you want to be signed and traded to Houston. We'll happily pay you max. Hey Cleveland, you curious about what you'd get? How about Aaron Brooks, Luis Scola, and our 2011 and 2012 first round picks? Heck, I'll even toss in Trevor Ariza or Shane Battier. Not a bad package, eh, especially if LeBron's leaving anyway?
you need to give up in order to acquire someone like Bosh. filler + pick would not be enough to offer.
