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what this team really lacks? Thoughts after Pistons game.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by roxfan123, Mar 19, 2009.

  1. roxfan123

    roxfan123 Member

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    Talent? No---we barely miss Tmac. Toughness? Try sell that to Ron. A PG that can feed Yao...uhhh, maybe. But I think the real weakness is some high-success rate set plays. Lakers always go to Kobe when the game is on the line, simply utilize the sheer talent of his, same goes to LBJ; Jazz runs P&N to an extend of beauty; Spurs has TD, Parker and Ginobili, anyone can be the closer, not means they do not have a set play, but they actually have too many options---same as the Celtics, although Paul Pierce is more likely to execute the final shot; Hornets goes as CP goes and sure he is not that easy to stop... And the thing with Rockets is that, when the game is close, nobody knows what to do other than throw it to 7 6, though Yao's got an advantage over any single defender anyday, that is not a highly successful play due to his slow action, fatigue in the late game, butter fingers, quick doubles for a TO, furthermore, too rigid an offense---easy to defend (fronting for example).

    Tell me how many times after a timeout, guys come out and try to force feed Yao and the other team gets 2 points instead? How many times the ball is swinging around like a hot potato and Ron ends the journey with a hopeless shot? We saw a few AB and Yao plays, AB and Scola plays but they are far too scarce to be viewed as highly successful. Bottomline, this team relies on pure talent (Yao, Ron, Scola and the deep bench) to hang on to win, that is exactly the reason we ve seen so many nail-biters and painful 4th quarter collapses. The offense is either too predictable (go to Yao), or too aimless, poorly executed that everybody prays to the basketball god to bail us out. When things go well, you see an offense that is too pretty to be stopped, but when the shots are not falling, ouch... Our players simply do NOT have the mentality/confidence that we ARE gonna score on you this time (not 100%, but 80%, you know). It is funny to hear RA, who preaches the balanced attack all along, now urging Yao to demand the ball more. Not that Yao is unclutch, it is a high risk move no matter how you look at it. I am more eager to know, however, when can we have a good execution during clutch time. Comments? Name a few good offense plays?
     
  2. SBK#2

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    I agree but yesterday Yao was playing against a high schooler (Kwame). Who would not go for that? Other days though, there should be other plays run imo
     
  3. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I think we do have good set plays but not coming out of timeouts. When we come out of timeouts team look for Yao. You mentioned D. Will, Kobe, Manu and the one thing they all can do is shoot off of screens. We need to develop shooting off of screens to have the same success.
     
  4. roxfan123

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    That is why I like the AB/Yao play, too bad AB is not that good a shooter.
     
  5. jonjon

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    When getting the ball into Yao doesn't work for whatever reason :mad: ... I would like to see that play that worked a few times in the first half. (The one that freed up Wafer, Artest, and Battier coming off the wing and going down the center of the lane...)

    That play would work every time in one way or another. Either a lane to the basket, an open jump shot, or a wide open passing lane to one of the bigs. Brooks or Lowry could be an option there too...
     
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    Tracy Mcgrady.
     
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    I agree, you rarely see many pre set plays that always allow a certain player to get an easy bucket. And its mainly because our starters are predictable and their strengths well known at this point. Add the fact that both our PGs aren't exactly veterans at this system and don't have a wealth of playing time with the starters until recently, makes it seem like our people are still somewhat feeling each other out at times.
     
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    we need a superstar who can run and shoot after playing 40 minutes.
     
  9. OddsOn

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    A KILLER INSTINCT!
     
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    a banana guard
     
  11. SuperStar

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    How about a guy that can grab a rebound? I mean all the Pistons got was 21 offensive rebounds.
     
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    Yes, you are right. Rockets had the pure talents that can match or even better than lakers/spurs. But they don't have good executions specially in clutch time. Yao is definitely a franchise level player, but he need a very good passer. T-mac played the role well, but they didn't get enough support in the past. Rafer run offense well, but he's been moved. I still believe that Rockect will miss rafer in playoff.

    Right now Rockets can beat the worse team but fall short to beat spurs/lakers/Jazz. They need KL replace Rafer's role right way. Kl is very good, I still remembered he as Memphis once burned Rockets a couple of years ago. But It's not fair to ask a new guy like KL to be fit in Rafer's role. I think coach RA and DM overestimated the progress of AB. DM and Les definitely lost the confidence on this team when they knew Tmac done. that's why they moved rafer.

    I'll sorry for this team, they deserve better. But I feel that they just one good execution away from WC.
     
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    from the way you phrased it, it seems like you're selling kwame brown short on his defensive ability. he's a great post defender, extremely underrated because of the whole stigma surrounding him being a bust for a #1 pick, which he is. but, disregarding that stigma, he's one of the better post defenders in the league. yao usually has big games against kwame despite kwame's great defense on yao. go figure...
     
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    Mxdyees was fronting him on the key plays and we looked lost.
     
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    Something always happens against the pistons when they play us...

    last year it was our struggles on free throws
    and this year it was not getting a rebound so im not surprised
     
  16. Classic

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    We lack athletic height...yesterday wouldn't have even been close had we had people who could rebound. Our tallest players and the least athletic on the team. Effort can only take you so far.
     
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    You need good decision makers, and that has to come from your guards because they have the ball in their hands to start the possession.

    Any problems we have at the end of games is indicative of mediocre guard play, in my opinion. Whether that's poor decision making, or an inability to make something happen when the primary option (Yao, generally) is taken away.
     
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    I read in another thread that the Rox is 14-4 after TMac was out. This current team has played 18 games altogether and most games are fun and exciting to watch. The team is just in its initial stage of development, so we just can't compare it to elite teams like Lakers, Spurs, right?

    We are now watching entertaining basketball games from this team. Rox are having a better tomorrow. I will continue to enjoy Rox games. I am sure Mr. Morey would take care of the rest.
     
  19. Untraceable

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    Arn Tellem is that you? Nice try...Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame us. Fool us next for 23 million next year, you azz is just plain wrong
     
  20. el_locoteee

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    I don't know is size have something to do with blocking out.

    There is a reason we are the #2 team in defensive rebound. Just one of those games.
     

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