I have been reading this board for quite some time already and this is my first post. I am confused about all these PG candidates we are discussing, Mike James, Damon Jones, Antonio Daniels but When I do a summary of their stats compare with "our" Tyronn Lue, NONE of them should be consider an upgrade at all except Lue is the shortest but youngest. I have to admit I didn't really watch amy of them but just looking at their stats..... Fisher and Barry are upgrades up those 3? Somebody please tell me why. G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG Mike James 03-04 81 55 27.1 0.414 0.377 0.811 2.9 4.2 1.19 0.04 1.53 1.9 9.3 _Career 174 63 23.2 0.393 0.342 0.764 2.3 3.5 0.95 0.05 1.41 2 8.1 Damon Jones 03-04 82 26 24.6 0.401 0.359 0.764 2.1 5.8 0.37 0.05 1.26 1.1 7 _Career 348 38 17.8 0.396 0.366 0.731 1.6 3 0.4 0.03 0.92 1 5.6 Antonio Daniels 03-04 71 32 21.3 0.47 0.362 0.842 2 4.2 0.63 0.08 0.86 0.9 8 _Career 488 121 21.3 0.451 0.332 0.761 1.7 3.1 0.67 0.13 1.1 1.1 7.3 Tyronn Lue 03-04 76 69 30.7 0.433 0.383 0.771 2.5 4.2 0.8 0.07 1.63 2.4 10.5 _Career 283 94 23.2 0.432 0.385 0.789 1.8 3.2 0.65 0.02 1.22 2 8
Thats exactly why we haven't seen CD make a move. He hasn't felt that any of the FAs (especially w/ the money they have gotten) are big upgrades over Lue.
Upgrade, as in the point guard position. Not the starting point guard, but the position overall. A starter that's more clearly solid than Lue would take a situational-type trade that hasn't arisen, nor doesn't appear to be doing so this summer.
You know, I would think the Clippers would jump all over a Jaric for TE trade, especially if they match Richardson's offer. As big as Sterling is on keeping his money, along with having Shaun Livingston, I could easily see them doing something like that. They could always sign a dirt-cheap pg to backup Livingston.
the problem is not in the number is in the asisst per turnover ratio of those players last year one big problem that rockets have in last years is the turnovers and the style of play of them is pass first shot second that is the syle of guard that we want i think that lue are a good point guard but we need a backup to play booth of them in the staring role
Anyone else find these stats hard to read? What's the T/O to Assists Ratio for each of these guys? Regardless, JVG would probably be interested in an upgrade from Lue on the defensive end.
Clippers already have a lot of cap space, since they cleared a lot space for a run at Kobe. Sterling is big on keeping his money, but Jaric is making next to nothing and wouldn't be worth trading to get that small of a TE.
Agreed..I think we need to get a starting point guard. Lue backup or moved..or whatever Mike James 2:1 Damon Jones 5:1?? Antonio Daniels 4:1 Tyronn Lue 2:1 I just want us to get somebody..
Antonio Daniels has the best assist to tunover ratio in the NBA. Damon Jones was number 2 last year in the category.
"Antonio Daniels has the best assist to tunover ratio in the NBA. Damon Jones was number 2 last year in the category." -Slick Rick- Good news about the low TO's and good ratio of assists to TO's but I was wondering which of these two guards had the more money jumper and which if either can penetrate the lane breaking down the D? I'm not too familiar with Damon Jones and I only vaguely recall Daniel's game. I say either of the two along with Lue for a reasonable contract could be tossed into the mix.
Daniels is more consistent from mid-range, and I'd give Jones the slight edge in three-point shooting. The major difference is Jones is a very average ball handler and penetrator, while Daniels can really get to the cup and his athleticism makes him better on the defensive end as well.
Yet neither one could win the starting job on thier team. Daniels was so good that Seattle started a shooting guard at the 1 instead of him and Jones was so good when he was starting in the playoffs, he averaged less than 29 minutes per game when most starting point guards normally play close to 40. Good A/TO ratio does not necessarily mean good point guard. No all star point guard came anywhere near these two, yet they were, well, all stars. Reggie Miller was # 3 in a/to ratio, maybe we should get him to be our point guard. Vlade Divac had a better ratio than Brent Barry. Maybe we should have all been calling for Vlade to be our point guard instead of Barry? Lou had a better ratio than Bibby, Billups, Baron Davis, Andre Miller, Tony Parker,Jaric, Hinrich, Crawford, Arroyo...if it's all about the A/TO, maybe we should stick with what we've got. Just a thought... j
I just think the C backup is more important for the time being as there are no real upgrade and real starting PG available at a reasonable price.
I see you point and agree with most of it. However, we do need another pg. Lou and Gaines will not be enough to compete with the West. I am jumping up and down with our choices, but I was not too excited about Barry, Fisher and Hudson. Damon was a journeyman except for one decent season with the Bucks. Antonio is not a premier pg either. Daniels bring in several things. He brings ball control, size, defense and decent 3pt shooting.
I think Daniels would be fine as long as he's only being brought in to play 24-28 minutes per game. I don't think he's a 38 mpg starter. He's never been that in his career, and I don't know if he ever will be. j
no, he wants the frenzy to cool down, if he doesnt wait...he might give a contract out he will regret...remember we did get jj in late september, he was very valuable to us
I also think that our starter should only get 24-28 minutes a game unless we get a great player or a pg with a lot of potential like hinrich. Unfortunately, I don't think we will get anybody in the first tier guys.
This is the second time you've posted this idea and IMO you have the TE concept wrong so I feel the need to comment... Please explain to me why an under the cap team wants/needs a $2.1m trade exception? The Clippers can have cap space (which they do) or they can have a trade exception. To get the TE they have to renounce the equivalent cap space because you can't have/use both. The Clippers have $27.4m committed for 2004-05. "Giving" Jaric away for a 1st round draft pic lowers their payroll to $25.3m this year only because the draft pick hits ther cap next year. I fail to see just what high-end FA's are available right now that requires an additional $2.1m TE or cap space. Especially considering the Clipps got a $2.8m TE/cap space when they shipped Drobnjak to the Bobcats. They have more than enough $ for Q w/o giving Jaric away. If it's a "trade exception" the Clipps are looking for, they already have a $17m TE....that's how much more salary they can take back in a trade because that's how far under the cap they are.
