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What kind of PF is best suited for this team?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Possum, Jun 24, 2005.

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  1. Possum

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    A A shot blocking/rebounding defensive low post monster/banger or

    B A long/agile/athletic player that can alter shots and can stretch the defense out with his shooting.

    It seems like most people here want option A wich I dont understand. The Rockets have spent the last couple of years trying to convert Ming into a low post player. Not to mention this player will be gaurding the likes of Garnett, Duncan and Nowitski. How is a 6'7" to 6'9" player going to sloww any of these guys down. Thats why I think we will go after a player like Martynas Andriuskevicius, Angelo Gigli, Mile Ilic or Andray Blatche instead of the short regular PF types most are picking in the mock drafts.
     
  2. jopatmc

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    We ain't drafting some skinny high schooler or a Euro to play the 4.
     
  3. micah1j

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    Martynas Andriuskevicius & Andray Blatche are not NBA ready. Maybe if everyone else taken by the 24th.

    Angelo Gigli & Mile Ilic are mid-second rounders.
     
  4. xiki

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    If Danny StrAinge would only make Raef a lux cap casualty then he would be excellent.

    I believe a spread floor would be more effective for this team as well as weak side help.
     
  5. Drexlerfan22

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    Well to me, the ideal is a big intimidator/shotblocker/rebounder who can also hit an outside jumper somewhat consistently.

    Of course, that's probably asking too much. All I can really say is that a top post scorer is what we DON'T need to be paying for. For example, McDyess is one of my personal most favorite players to ever set foot in the NBA, but since his biggest strength is his low-post offense, it would be wasteful to spend on a guy like him.

    Wright and Swift both kinda begin to fit the bill. I certainly wouldn't prioritize shooting over rebounding.
     
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    For the near-term, it's a given the NBA rules are favoring quickness and athleticism. Yao's not leaving the Rockets and he's never going to be any quicker. IMHO, playoff games are no longer won in half-court sets but in forcing mismatches in transition. And being able to throw unexpected traps after a made basket.

    I firmly believe in those words and the logical PF conclusion for me is Stromile Swift or the closest thing you can find to what he would bring in transition O & D.

    For the anti-Stro's...please don't bother quoting meaningless comparisons using league average stats. JVG is far more analytical than going to NBA.com and comparing PF's PPG's. This is about watching enough tape to mentally envision how another player "plugs" into what you want to do in transition and with rotations in to and out of double teams.
     
  8. Nelly

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    i want someone about 6'9 and athletic, but with a good basketball IQ
     
  9. don grahamleone

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    I think a lot of the decisions will be made according to whether or not we trade Howard. If we keep Howard (I hope to unless we get a great player in return) then we really need a player that has a different skill set. I just hope that whoever we get can shoot the 15 footer as well as Howard. That seems to be the important thing in our offense. When we lost him the defenses we saw seemed to collapse a lot more and jam the area near the basket.

    How is a 6'7" to 6'9" player going to guard Garnett, Duncan and Nowitski? How did Ryan Bowen do it? Or even better, how did Tmac do it? I think an athletic player can bother these guys. The only problem with a guy like Simien or Ike or any draft pick is foul trouble. It's takes a while to gain respect in the NBA and it takes the same amount of time to learn what a foul is in the NBA.

    With the rookie dilema in place, I think we need to try to keep Howard if we draft a rookie PF. If we trade for a PF I think we should go with the banger. If we trade Howard to get a PF, then we should get a very good player in return. That man is under-rated.

    I think the problem with identifying what type of PF we need is that everything we do has a complicated if/then attached to it. If we follow the if/then solutions with care then I think we'll be fine. In other words, it doesn't matter what we do, it matters what we do as a result of what has already been done.

    ... I just confused myself. (not really, but probably confused you a bit)
     
  10. Deuce

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    Pretty much what GATER said.

    A few years ago I would have said someone like Elton Brand would have been perfect (he still would be great to have! ;) ). But the PF position these days is evolving. PFs are no longer those big bulls that bang inside. Many of them these days are guys that want to get out on the perimeter and play a complete game. Because guys want to live out in space, it is paramount that a PF next to Yao is someone that has nice lateral quickness, someone that can cover ground. We need that long, athletic PF that can block shots, rebound and move. That's why someone like Swift is appealing.

    Today's NBA is more about speed and quickness and the Rockets roster has to adjust to that. I dont have any doubt that JVG recognizes this.
     
  11. smoothie

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    if he gets us 9 rebounds a game, blocks a shot and a half, and can hit 3or 4 FT line jumpers during the game then i like him no matter how fast or slow he is.
     
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    i see us gettin chris anderson. which i would be very happy with. hes a big guy that can play defense..but he isnt slow. plus he wont cost us an arm and a leg like swift will
     
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    To answer your question, it's B. We don't need another low post scorer as a starter because of Yao. Someone athletic with a mid-range jumpshot would suit us better. Having a bruiser/banger coming off the bench at PF would be nice since we had no such thing at all last season.
     
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    What purpose do you want Anderson for? To mop up the floor? He can do that.
    If he will not do that, his best alternative is some mop up duty behing Juwan or whoever the starting PF will be next year.
    Please do not tell me you are advocating for Stick Man Anderson as our starting PF. The guy is the the logo for the NBDL
     
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    he can't hit a jumper, but he rebounds and blocks like crazy. he would be a nice backup to Jho for 18-24 minutes a night.
     
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    If Ben Wallace can learn the fade-away, Chris Andersen can learn to hit a jumpshot.

    I like Andersen's energy and competitiveness, reminds me of Rodman. :eek:

    White Kite belongs with that "White Boy squad-group-thing." Top it off w/ White Chocolate and Houston has the makings of a fine dish?!


    University (White Stuff) Blue
     
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    Mark Berman last night had a clip of CD who said that the Rockets want a power forward that could hit a 17-25 ft jumpshot, but did not name specific names. He said that he should also be a good rebounder. (Donyell Marshalll?-no specific names mentioned). Mark Berman stated that the PF would most likely be addressed in free agency.

    Berman also mentioned that the Rox coultd be interested in Nate Robinson, the 5'9" point guard from the Univ of Washington (he showed highlights and stated he averaged 16 pts and 5 assists). CD said that it was was hard to target a player or position with the 24th pick and they would be ecstatic if the player could make the team, which would be difficult with a 50 win team. Again CD said he would be ecstatic if their pick could make the rotation.


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  18. micah1j

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    Donyell Marshall & SAR are the only FA PF with that kind of range. Marshall can be had for the MLE but SAR will cost more.
     
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    Eddie Griffin. Pick him, don't treat him like animal

    Griffin: "pick me, I am Eddie, Eddie...Why you treat me like aneeeemal"
     
  20. Dubious

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    reality #1
    There are all ready a plethora of great PF's in the NBA. No one can stop them but the Rockets need someone who can play enough defense to slow them down some.

    reality #2
    The Rockets are set for the future with a pretty good offensive C who needs help on D when he gets out quicked, help keeping some the balls he fumbles and gets slapped away from being turnovers and help rebounding because he's never going to be able to respond quickly to the ball when it comes off the rim.

    rality#3
    The Rockets offense will run through T-mac. A third scoring option is nice but as long as our PF can take the dish off pass to the hole (and hit his foul shots) we will be fine. If we want a shooter it doesn't need to be our PF it needs to our SG.

    So I'd say the criteria are #1 athleticism #2 determination and hustle and somewhere down the line shooting skills and height. Hell, I've seen Bill Hanzlik match up on Hakeem and just give him fit by sheer will-power alone. We need the PF with the biggest heart.
     

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