If you are interested in keeping Kenny or trading Kenny for value, this is important info, imo. Someone mind scooping this? Just like Steve, there is an Oct 31st deadline on K9's extension, or he *must* become a FA, by rules. Consider these reason to scoop this: 1. Doc Rocket has said that Kenny will not be traded this Summer. 2. Doc has said either Mo or Kenny will be traded by January. Thus, he will be a Rocket after Oct 31st, but he and/or Mo will be shopped early in the season. Reason dictates that more teams are more interested in trading equal value for signed players than unsigned. The key is we want equal value back in a Kenny trade. Consider Andre Miller--traded yet unsigned in his extenion negotiation year. How many people think Cleveland got equal value back? Don't answer that. It is a rhetorical. <b>The question is:</b> Can someone please scoop the Kenny extension, and what is up?
If he's extended is he tradeable this same year? I think not. I think therein lies the answer. Strike a pose. late -heb
<i>...........For three months or until December 15th of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or draft rookie. (Note: This does not apply to players who sign contract extensions or who renegotiate their existing contracts. These players may be traded immediately.).......</i> Why couldn't he be traded in the same year?
Thanks le Mangue. I believe that I took something out of context from a newspaper article concerning Baron Davis. late -heb
Well if we do give the extention to Kenney Thomas, I'm pretty sure it is safe to say that he will be traded in January. That must be the reason why Doc Rocket made the prediction for January; it would be the only time that we could trade him (duh). Rudy lets his trade value stay high by playing him big minutes, then in December he looks for teams that need him, and finaly he is traded sometime in January. Simple huh...
I still say that KT has more value in a S&T (if possible) or before he signs a contract. No way that a KT playing with limited minutes, limited plays and possibly whinning about playing time (and starting) will fetch more at midseason.
The 5th year of a rookie contract is sort of like a player option. Typically, a team will extend an offer sheet to a free agent after the 4th year of the rookie contract. This does two things - it makes them restricted free agents, and also is a one year contract offer at a certain amount determined by the year and pick number by the CBA. Should the player be unhappy with the offers they receive, they can take this offer sheet and become an unrestricted free agent after the 5th season. This has been rumored with Michael Olowokandi. Most of the time, though, the player is re-signed to an extension after three seasons or receives a new contract from their previous team while a restricted free agent.
I don't forsee any team interested in MO unless he has a blowout first half this year. That leaves Kenny, and i would only want to trade him for a very good backup SG. Would we be able to trade for a better SG after signing him to an extension or before ? Before and we would need to have an SG with Kenny's same "on the rise" stature in talent and salary. After and we could choose a salary range to try and match the SG we wanted to trade for with a more established history.
I would hope Mo has a great year and gets traded to the Pacers for Al Harrington. I don't think Mo's ego would let him play behind Eddie. You can see kenny already has a hard time doing it. I would actually have Harrington start, and bring Cat off the bench to earn the 6th man that he should have got a couple years ago. He does a great job providing that spark.
I like the deal but one catch there, if Mo is traded to Pacers for Harrington he'll still be stuck behind J Oneal, who's back to his natural pf spot after they acquired Brad Miller. It's hard to see the Pacers letting go of their future starting sf for a pf backup.
Why do you say that. Ignore Achebe. Players who sign extensions can still be traded immediately. The Dec 15th rule does not apply. We can trade Mo and KT anytime. The January prediction is obviously because other teams will want to see MoT play after a year on the injured list. That's the reason. Not KT. But KT is less marketable if unsigned. We need him signed by Oct 31st, imo, to make him as attractable as possible. Achebe, why confuse the issue....grrrrr
First off: never ignore me. Secondly, what was the confusion the reporter had w/ Davis? I think it was merely a $$$ amount thing. As in, he signed an extension, but he was only tradeable @ 3 million, and the Hornets would have to take back 12 million. Obviously. Unfortunately, you ignored the other obvious point that 12/15 is when a ton of players become available. So with my ignorance of the CBA, and your undying twitlike love of KT we can make all sorts of confusion, ehhh? Twit. heypartner, why let your adoration of KT confuse the issue.....grrrrr I don't think KT is more marketable signed, I think he's more affordable if signed. I don't know if he'll cut a deal this year, w/o the notion in the lockerroom that he's here and Mo's out. That's a sketchy situation.... three power forwards, one of whom is the heir apparent, one of whom is a potheed, leaving the other with a chip on his shoulder. I think we'll end up with Crime Dog as our starting pf. Unfortunately Crime Dog has sniffed the scooby snacks over at fat boy's house. Fat Boy's out, but Kenny Seleeeeque Thomas will wait until next summer to sign (where he of course has to deal w/ backing up the Crime Dog). or not late -heb
Yeah, he is subject to BYC, but is tradeable. At the day he signs an extension, he becomes BYC. That's a good reason Miller was unsigned, and Odom remains unsigned. Good point. So, KT would have trade value of roughly $3.5m on a 3yr extension starting at $4m, but we could only take back his current ~$1m salary. The new Rookies become available; no one else of equal contact value just signed a new contract (eg, all the other rookie scales of past 3yrs). The obvious point of (by January) is still that other teams would need a look at MoT. What is more marketable/profitable: an unsigned player who must become a FA and can only take $1m back (equal to no better than a #15 pick over last 3yrs) or a securely signed BYC player requiring a trade exception or cap room of ~$2.5m to execute? hmmmm.
There's nothing to it!! I though the scoop from Jeff was the Rockets Brass had decided Kenny was just going to play out his contract and then would be free to leave a play for anyone else, with the Rockets getting nothing in return. Vogue PS Breaking up is harder to do!!!
First off, no one needs to read this post if they don't like cc.net scooping controversy. There is a scoop floating around that has been challenged by several people, yet continues to float. Sometimes "scoops" happen, and sometimes they are challenged. It does not mean you are challenging the person...just the scoop...and mainly because *this scoop* is beginning to take on a life of its own, and really, actually, really, has no proof. Smeggy, the Jeff quote was that not only was Maurice Taylor recovering from being overweight by 50-70ilbs at end of April(according to Clutch's photographs), but that he was so ready by July 1st, that he was going full steam and "destroying" KT in the first week of July...consider this was Mo's first week of being allowed to even play, and KT must be in resting mode after a season of no backups helping him. KT, if anything, was instructed to play soft against a season-long injured player who last played ball in Summer '01 *and got injured doing it*...duh! Further, despite the fact Mo left to watch Griffin in the Summer Leagues and never played KT again in July (if ever), the rumors continued that Mo was "destroying KT". Also, the trade scoop Jeff made about the Rockets was saying the key was the $800,000 of Cap Space Les would gain, "In fact, the Rockets may be content to let KT's contract run out and take what little cap relief it would bring them." Saving $800k is not a decision making issue.
Excellent point and I agree completely. Alas, a sane voice in an insane world! Exactly what would the Rockets require in trading Kenny?? I think we have some great depth except at SG. So, maybe trade Kenny for a back-up SG to Mobley and a future draft pick??
This is just so weird. Achebe, see how people just don't care about KT enough to even see whether he is a FA or not. Barbdog: There is NO SnT starting with KT anymore that any other SIGNED PLAYER!! KT is under the same contract rules as Francis... Francis cannot be SnT'ed right now. Neither can KT. Francis and KT are not Free agents. They were drafted the same year, and both had their team option exercised last summer. They are under identical rules. They are option year players facing extension.
Lets call Cleveland and get Ty Hill for Taylor and future considerations. Resign Thomas, and roll like that.
