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What is so wrong with former members of the Clinton Admin?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Nov 26, 2008.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I've seen some mocking and criticism of Obama for appointing several former members of the Clinton Admin., and Hillary Clinton herself, to his new Admin. This seems to come from both the very left and the right. It makes sense to me that Obama would want to appoint members of the last Democratic Admin. to his Admin. as given the enormity of the transition it makes sense to take advantage of previous Admins. Without re-inventing the wheel.

    I can understand some of those who are very liberal that Obama is being a centrist and relying upon the centrist from the Clinton Admin. but what did those people expect? Were people seriously expecting, as another thread suggested, that Dennis Kucinich be appointed Secretary of State? Anyway appointments like Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton are going to be far more on the liberal side than Ashcroft, Gonzales, Mukasey, and Rice are.

    As for those on the right what did they expect either? As a Republican (I forgot who at the moment) said, elections have consequences, and Obama as the winning Democrat is going to appoint experienced Democrats.

    I'm sure a lot of this is just sour grapes but speaking for myself as someone who has been critical of Obama I'm reassured by most of these picks as it shows he is pragmatic and isn't allowing ideology to drive him.
     
  2. A_3PO

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    I don't see what the problem is either except choosing Hillary could blow up in Obama's face. She doesn't fit his style at all but let's see what happens. Overall, plucking some of the good and smart apples from Bill's administration makes sense to me.

    Left-wing zealots who thought Obama was one of them were deluding themselves. Obama has made it clear from the beginning he doesn't want hyper-partisan combat on every issue and he doesn't want to govern just the 52% of the nation that voted for him. Those voters should have chosen John Edwards and his "fight for you" and "against THEM" rhetoric. Part of the change he promised was the WAY issues are debated. At the same time, huge changes are coming up in economic policy (especially taxes, infrastructure), energy policy, health care, civil liberties, foreign policy, education. In order to make big changes, you must have credible, respected and experienced hands at the wheel.
     
  3. basso

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    nothing.

    unless, that is, you based your entire campaign on some ephemeral concept of "change."
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    ^^^^

    maybe he should have picked some aliens from the democtratic planet of vulcar so we would have new yet experienced faces
     
  5. krosfyah

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    Newsflash: Obama sets the agenda. Cabinet members follow directions.
     
  6. thegary

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    when i hire someone to do a job i pick the guy with the most experience. i don't know why. it's also funny that they do what i ask them to do.
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    obama is picking people used to navigating the government landscape, to do this, you will either be picking from the bush admin or the clinton admin, or recent congress, or state lawmakers. one thing I'm glad we finally get rid of from the last eight years is the, "i'm an mba president, I'm going to pick business people to run the gov", bush's adminstration is the epitome of what's wrong with that argument. you need government people to run gov't, the anti gov rhetoric has failed. the change will be in how problems are addressed, and instead of fighting the gov't you're apart of, making it more efficient and effective.

    ironically, its what the conservatives keep promising yet never delivering.
     
  8. basso

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    that's cheney we can believe in.
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    I get the feeling this issue would've also popped up had Hillary been the nominee and elected. There were fears/rumors about Bill putting his stamp on the presidency and it'd be easy to see how bringing on old hands would fuel that suspicion.

    I wonder if this contentiousness will be a new fixture of lame duck politics or it's residual bitterness for the years to come.

    Of course, those would bring up those pesky questions about his birth certificate and given proof positive that Obama was born on planet Vulcar.
     
  10. thegary

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    i don't personally believe in satan but if he exists i believe he is dick cheney. pure evil that man, not a fair comparison.
     
  11. Major

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    I don't see many Clinton people in the current Administration... so it seems like we're going to get quite a bit of change.

    Of course, you still have no understanding of what change is, so this is all well above your head.
     
  12. Rashmon

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    Ouch.
     
  13. glynch

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    Well just on the basis of appointments I am sort of disappointed. However, Obama has reminded me for years of Bill Clinton. He compromises before it would seem to be necessary. I guess we will see. The big difference is that Obama's home life is tidier. Also unlike when Clinton entered, the extreme right has been discredited, seems to have accepted their electoral defeat and Obama may get the typical honeymoon period.
     
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    Explain to me again how the incoming team isn't "change" from Bush's guys?
     
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    A few things have happened between the time Clinton left office and now.

    And I think a few more will happen between January 20 and May 1.
     
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    Wrong! You forget that he is a socialist and pals around with terrorists, which is far different from Clinton. Those guys are just Obama's puppets. They have to do what the Commander in Chief says or go out the door.


    Welcome to Hussein's Russia, comrade! LOL
     
  17. Kwame

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    I only really have problems with the Emanuel and Clinton apointments. Emanuel because he is so pro-Israeli that he volunterred to be part of their army for a while and his dad, who has connections to a Jewish terrorist organization, also recently made a rather disparaging remark about Arab-Muslim people as well. Clinton is somebody who made a few very hawkish statements in the recent past and is center-right it seems when it comes to foreign policy - not something you would expect from the country's top diplomat in an Obama administration. With regard to these two, this isn't what I was expecting when I voted for Obama.
     
  18. Refman

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    There is no evidence that Obama has every cheated on his wife or used an intern as a humador.
     
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    it's humidor... "flavored" cigars are typically viewed as inferior to cigar lovers
     
  20. pirc1

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    Nothing matters but the results. I don't care who he appoints as long as they get the job done and turn the economy around, pull out of iraq and reform health care. He could appoint Dick Cheany for all I care as long as they get the right results.
     

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