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What is keeping Yao and T-Mac from exploding together?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jediknight94595, Nov 27, 2004.

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  1. jediknight94595

    jediknight94595 Contributing Member

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    Here are Yao's stats from last season:

    http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/player/gamelogs/2003/307933

    Yao has improved in PPG, probably because his shooting has improved. i don't think its just because he's making more attempts. But Yao is currently below in rebounds per game from last season.

    Last season Yao seemed more consistent and didn't seem so lost and vulnerable. This year he is getting raped and embarassed early in the game.

    There must exist offensive schemes (perhaps there are many) where BOTH Yao and T-Mac can score in the mid-to-high 20's during the SAME game on a very consistent basis. The Rockets organization needs to find those kinds of offenses, or hire someone who can.

    There is also no excuse for T-Mac not to be at 25PPG or more. Something has sucked the talent out of T-Mac. And I don't blame it on T-Mac, Yao or this "team needs time to gel" bull crap. Both T-Mac and Yao have proven they can score 20+ points together in a couple of games already. They should be able to do that EVERY night.

    I don't blame the players for Yao and T-Mac's inconsistencies, or on Mo-Tay and Howard's lack of effort. I don't think the teammates are sucking the talent out of Yao and T-Mac. These players are not THAT bad. They're not great, but they're NOT that bad! Something is keeping these players from exploding on offense.
     
  2. bob718

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    This is for the first time I don't think you are 10 years old.

    Props!;)
     
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    I clicked "here" in

    "This person is on your Ignore List. To view this post click [here] "

    after reading your post ;)
     
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    delete
     
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    It should be

    Yao
    31.5 MPG 19.2 PPG = 0.61 Pts/Min


    :D
     
  6. mogrod

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    Oooops, you're right. Scratch that! LOL!!
     
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    Methinks mogrod has his numerators and denominators confused. :D
     
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    I think all that is stopping them is a decent pass first PG.

    DD
     
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    One of the things stopping them is Jeff Van Gundy's attack. Surprise.

    When your two best players are at the 2 and the 5, you run the triangle. That sets up two main options on every possession : a triangle of the 1, 3, and 5 on one side and the 2 and the 4 on the other. This gives each a maximally efficient opportunity, space, and an outlet when over-defended. Genius! Not really - just basketball 101. Gundy won't do it. He's too stubborn. He keeps trying to play post-up and screens, and won't allow the team to take the quick score when it's there. He's ruining the team. He's sucking the life out of our talent.
     
  10. Just B

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    J....V....G. Plain and Simple.
     
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    The problem with your triangle is the 1 & 3 won't get enough respect to stop the double-teammed on the 5, which won't open up anything for 2 & 4. And by the way, this will also take 2's touches away a lot.

    The Bulls' triangle often put all their best scorers - Jordan, Pippen, & Kukoc on one side, with their 5s waiting for offensive putbacks and their 1s waiting for kick-outs. The Lakers' triangle was more 5-heavy (Shaq), with the 2 (Kobe) being the primary ball-handler.

    Unless you were not talking about the triangle aka triple-post offense, just normal screen-n-roll stuff or motion offense.
     
  12. jediknight94595

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    I don't think T-Mac wants to be behind Kobe and LeBron for too long. That's just humiliating. I think everyone went overboard, including T-Mac, disparaging his scoring achievements as being meaningless, selfish, etc. And Van Grumpy even went to say "no way T-Mac gonna take all those shots here!" That's like some NFL coach saying Joe Montana "no way he's gonna pass that much on my team!" You don't want T-Mac being T-mac??

    Thank God Lebron James wasn't on this team or he wouldn't be Rookie of the Year. :D

    I don't see a chemistry problem between the Rocket players. All the players are behaving fine. No one is misbehaving. No one is bad-mouthing each other or being selfish. This is a very mellow team. Everyone seems to be trying to share the ball. Each player has potential to be better, especially Mo-Tay. I don't think the players want to be inconsistent. All these players have proven to be consistent in the past. I think its not the players thats the problem, its something to do with the coaching environment. Given the right coaching and coaching leadership, these players could EXPLODE!!
     
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    I completely disagree with your analysis. If Yao is in the high post on the right (where he is most effective) and Tmac is set up on the left in a two-man game with our new power forward (whoever), Yao can deliver the ball to Tmac whenever he wants with his passing. Yao will have better angles to get the ball from the 1 and 3. The 1 and 3 can move the ball to each other rapidly if Yao is fronted, to get around the front.


    The Bulls had crap at 5 and you know it. No wonder they set up like that. You really want to discount the Lakers, but that's the better example. Shaq would set up left or right alternatively and then flash low. Yao can do this, but I prefer him in the high post, because he can shoot and see over the defense and pass over the top. He doesn't have to post up or worry about the 3 seconds. It saves his energy. If Tmac controls the ball a lot, fine by me. Let the 1 play defense, fire jumpers and cut back door. Tmac has great skills with the ball. There's no point in making him wait to get it from a less talented hack.

    If you do a google search for diagrams of the triangle offense, you're going to find flash animations exactly as I describe. The only thing missing is the names Yao and Tmac.

    Philip and Tex would get those two both working every play. There wouldn't be any of this dumb standing around and watching, none of the stupid wasted energy JVG forces.
     

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