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What is better, double teamed or floor spacing player?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by phantoman, Nov 26, 2017.

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What is better, double teamed or floor spacing player?

  1. Player that commands a Double team

    13 vote(s)
    56.5%
  2. Player that spaces the floor

    6 vote(s)
    26.1%
  3. the impact is the same with both

    4 vote(s)
    17.4%
  1. phantoman

    phantoman Contributing Member

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    Imagine a team that already has a star player on it and you need to pair this player with another player. Which kind of player brings more of an impact to the game, another star or a floor spacer. You can only have one, not both.


    Imagine that the level of Defense both players have is exactly the same.
     
  2. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    Wouldn't a double teamed player also provide spacing automatically?

    At least 2 defenders already gravitate to him
     
  3. DJ

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    Cleverly, disguised What is better: having Carmelo Anthony or Ryan Anderson post?
     
  4. heypartner

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    Is this the companion Poll to the Melo v Ryno thread, where @jacoby forgot to add a poll?

    The question makes more sense when you read the OP stating that there is already a star player on the court who commands double teams. who do you match him with.
     
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  5. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    ha. I almost wrote the very same "cleverly, disguised" post. but figured this thread might be due to jacoby asked the mods to add a poll to his thread.

    op definitely appears to want us to vote in the abstract, then later say, "Ah ha! See Ryno is the better choice."
     
  6. phantoman

    phantoman Contributing Member

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    lol - well it got me thinking on how the 94/95 team was built. Dream with maxwell vs Dream with Clyde.
    might not be a good comparison but something like that..
     
  7. vlaurelio

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    I believe we already have 2 playmaking/double-team demanding players harden and cp3

    If we can add a 3rd double teamed star like lebron or pg why not

    On the other hand Melo and wb are chuckers and black holes who are usually dared by the opponents to shoot so i dont consider them double-teamed
     
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  8. Nook

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    There isn’t a single right answer. It depends on the style of play, the personnel and other factors. Further not all double teams or floor spacing is the same. Most current double teams are very soft or only happen on penetration. As far as floor spacers are concerned; are you talking about three point shooters in the corners? The top of the key? Players that are shooting from the three point line only? Players shooting 3 feet behind the line? There are a lot of factors involved.

    Historically the answer would be players that get doubled would be more valuable because when the game was slower; usually only elite players were doubled. That isn’t the case in 2017. Also with passing and ball movement being so important and players able to play multiple positions and shoot the ball well; players that can spacer are of growing importance. That doesn’t even get into current NBA defensive philosophies or switching.
     
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  9. DJ

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    Great minds think alike
     
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    great comment - the modern NBA is more intricate which kind of brings other neglected theories to the for front.
     
  11. DonKnock

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    If the guy that is drawing the double team isn’t a good passer then I’d rather have the floor spacer considering we have 2 of the best passers ever already.
     
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  12. BigMaloe

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    Having a star player commands a double team.

    So if you have one already and asking for another one or spacing?

    Another double team player because he provides spacing also.

    Every double team provide spacing btw....
     
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    The one who passes the ball
     
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    On this Rockets team, a floor spacer is probably more valuable. Rockets have 3 creators: Harden, CP3 and EG. They don't need a ball-stopper. They need a guy that can create space by hanging out on the 3-point corner or elbow.

    The thing is, Ryno has to hit open shots in the playoffs. That is all that matters.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    The answer is Ryan Anderson over Melo.
     
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    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    So, the answer depends if Home or Road ;)
     
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    In all fairness, the way Ryan is playing this season with the added bonus of serviceable defense, Ryno is clearly the better player to have on the Rockets than Melo.

    I was in the camp of wanting Melo on this squad before the season but I’m glad to see it work out in hindsight.
     
  18. phantoman

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    Absolutely correct. To many fixated on The Who but not enough on the why. Hopefully this steers a conversation of basketball knowledge and theory.





     
  19. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Players who demand double team only are useful if they can pass out of it. For example, a player like LBJ or Cousins or Green has the ability to pass out of a double team. This makes these types of players invaluable. A player like Gay and to an extent, Melo for example, is less valuable as this can often lead to poor contested shots. On the other hand, floor spacing is only useful if the player commands the respect of defenders as a shooter or if they are good at cutting and finishing as their games would be very limited otherwise. The reason Ryno is so good for our team, is because his shot demands respect all the way out 3-4 ft behind the perimeter. A guy like Tucker, you can afford to leave him open from time to time or on an off night. You just can't risk that with a sharpshooter like Ryno.
     
  20. Spacemoth

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    Before everyone rushes to call Anthony the ultimate ballhog, take a look at Ryan Anderson's stats. 5.7% career ast%; 0.9 assists per game. If there isn't someone who plays more minutes that has lower let me know. To further back that up, here are the all-time lowest turnover rates in NBA history.

    You gotta hand it to the Ryno. He knows his job, and he does it well. He's just a human catapult out there: load rock, launch rock. No need to bring passing into this. It makes me a bit more surprised frankly that when he does his two or three moves per game where he actually takes a few dribbles, that he doesn't see a double team immediately.
     
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