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What if Rudy Gay became an all star but not a super star?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by wizkid83, Feb 19, 2007.

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  1. wizkid83

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    A lot of posters here feel that the Battier trade is still a bad move because Rudy Gay will eventually be better than Battier. I will not argue with that (we'll see how it plays out). However, just because he will become a better player than Battier does not mean that it hurts the Rockets to trade for Battier instead of keeping Gay. Gay's value will most likely come as a scorer, that's where his potential lie. But what if his potential just misses the upper echelon level, I say at that point it's better to have a player like Battier.

    Case and point, what if in 3 years Gay gets to a level of guys like Shawn Marion, Michael Redd, Joe Johnson, Rashad Lewis etc. All very good players, good enough to demand max or very close to max-money, but really doesn't impact the team on the level of guys like Kobe, T-Mac, and Wade. As a organization the Rockets will be inclined to re-sign him at that price or risk letting him walk for free. But sometimes signing a player at those levels hurt the teams more than it helps because it ties up the money and cap space, and limits what options a team can have while not giving enough of impact on the court to raise the rest of the team up a level.

    Secondly, sometimes it's harder to find a very good/perfect role player than the next "very good" scorer. I think on a good playoff team, there usually is a good "glue" type of role player that helps the team. Guys like Robert Horry, Tayshaun Prince, Josh Howard etc. Guys that can do a lot of things good, but nothing great are vital in good playoff teams because they don't require the ball to be affective but can really adapt and fill in the any void a team has in each game (and gameplan change) as needed. In a 7 game series chess match, those are the type of players that usually ends up being the difference makers even if they don't get the glory. Just think, how many perfect role players (like Shane and those I mentioned above) can you name off the top of your head? Now think of the teams they are on. Now name how many really good scorers you can think of. Then think of the teams they're on.

    In conclusion, if Rudy Gay becomes a super-star, then this trade will obviously go down in infamy, but if he becomes just another all-star level player, while he might be "better" than Shane, I still would not be conviced it was a bad trade for the Rockets.
     
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    Are you trying to convince me or yourself?

    ;)
     
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  3. wizkid83

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    Others :p

    I honestly believe that getting the right role players are harder than getting an "all star" or borderline all star. A top of the line role players need to be guys that actually have game, but are also smart enough to know where his limitations lie and maximizes his strengths in the overall game.

    There are not that many players with good physical skill abilities but are willing to not be the man, and rather uses his energy to help out other areas of the teams game.
     
    #3 wizkid83, Feb 19, 2007
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    If the Rockets win the championship Battier will have plenty do with it, so even if Gay blows up at least I wouldn't regret the trade.

    I'm not sure so many people hate the battier trade anymore. A while after the trade (I think this was before the season started but after the World Championship) somebody put up a poll asking if the Battier trade was good. It was voted up 70-30. I'm sure if somebody put up a poll now, it would be even more lopsided, now that we've seen Shane's play for the Rockets.
     
    #4 SuperYanthrax, Feb 19, 2007
  5. ShadyMcGrady

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    Rudy can go three ways, it seems.

    Depending on his work ethic and barring anything unusual, he can go to a team where:

    1. He's not used to his potential, doesn't get much playing time, never matures his game, etc. I doubt that would happen given his potential.

    2. He's just a role player, maybe a scorer off the bench or a starter with good ability to score. Probably what will happen.

    3. He's used as the first/second option and carries the load for the team. Kind of like T-Mac in Orlando. He could shine then. Who knows?

    If he does go the third way, then it would be really hard to look at this trade and say, yeah it was a good trade.

    Right now, we don't have time to wait for a player to develop, so Shane Battier seemed logical. He plays good D, has the intangibles, gives it all for the team, and can score here and there.

    Either way, this team never wanted to pick Rudy Gay, right? Once Brandon Roy was chosen, it was pretty much official that this trade was going to happen.
     
    #5 ShadyMcGrady, Feb 19, 2007
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    in special perid need special player, Rudy Gay may become an all-star at the future, depends on time.But i dont think T-Mac can keep his energy till RUDY GAY will has really become an all-star.
     
    #6 michael-pb, Feb 19, 2007
  7. randomdude

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    the Rockets were NEVER goin to draft Rudy Gay! :mad: they were going to draft Brandon Roy and only got Rudy Gay for Memphis.

    This has been said over and over again. Yet, these threads continue. It should be moved to the 'NBA dish' section
     
    #7 randomdude, Feb 19, 2007
  8. rockets-#1

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    Exactly. If they hadn't have set up the deal with Memphis in advance, they could have easily ended up selecting someone else.

    Let's pretend the Rockets did take him, though. He might not have ever developed even close to his "potential." Young guys don't get much playing time under JVG, so hypothetically he could have ended up being a bust. I bet if the Rockets had taken Rashard Lewis, he wouldn't have been nearly as good. Anyways, it's irrelevant, though, as the Rockets weren't gonna pick Gay.
     
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    ^^^^^^
    co-signed.

    The Rockets most recent gay move was when they traded Rice for Amaechi.
     
    #9 aussie rocket, Feb 19, 2007
  10. tinman

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    What if BOKI became an all star?
     
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  11. Chuck04

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    Since GAy was never going to be picked by the Rockets, shouldn't it be "What if Sefelosha becomes an All-Star but not a superstar?"
     
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    I don't care if Rudy Gay becomes Michael Jordan II as long as Battier helps us get at least one ring.
     
    #12 Ehsan, Feb 19, 2007
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    after draft night, i moved on. i'm mostly happy with our team. just wish rafer was mentally strong and that head was as confident with his drive as he is with his 3. i know rafer has the skills. i think he is just not confident all the time and he's distracted oftern. other than that, we have a great team.
     
    #13 xomox, Feb 19, 2007
  14. DaDakota

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    Don't you mean....WHEN?

    ;)

    DD
     
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  15. rwienert

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    When you use this logic, you're completely missing the point. Even if they had passed on gay, drafted player X instead, and swapped player X for Battier, people would still be having this conversation. The only difference would be people crying about passing on Gay instead of trading Gay. People are upset because the front office passed on him in general.

    I've come full circle on the Battier trade since draft night. Initially, I couldn't believe that we'd traded a future all-star (I still think he'll get there) for a quality role player. I understand the value that role players have, and was happy to have Battier, but still would've have liked to have a young point (kyle lowry?) included in the deal. Since the season started, I haven't been able to watch the games, but have gotten enough of a feeling from this board that Battier contributions beyound the stat sheet are invaluable to this team.

    In reality, I think Memphis knew what kind of all around player they had in Battier, so did the Rockets, and that's why the price initially seemed so high to aquire him.
     
    #15 rwienert, Feb 19, 2007
  16. smoothie

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    again, the rockets were never going to draft gay if they kept the pick. he had zero chance of ever being a rocket. roy, foye, trade, and sefolosha was the list.
     
    #16 smoothie, Feb 19, 2007
  17. McGradyFTW

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    can these ridiculous threads just stop...
     
    #17 McGradyFTW, Feb 19, 2007
  18. Uprising

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    What if I have to take a crap when I'm on the medic truck on my way to a scene?
     
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  19. OddsOn

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    In a world where Rudy Gay was never going to be a Houston Rocket and nobody really cares.....somebody has to start this thread. :confused:
     
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  20. tinman

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    i'm only concerned about 2 proven all stars. Yao and Tmac.
    3 all stars doesnt equal championship, we've tried that before.

    shane has proven to be a hero like player, a cross between otis thorpe and horry.
     
    #20 tinman, Feb 19, 2007
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