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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 2, 2020.

  1. basso

    basso Member
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    a cry from the heart. i encourage you to watch the whole thing.

     
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  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    That was great. I would go further and say its ridiculous that what's going on today is being framed as equivalent to the Civil Rights movement. Its disrespectful to blacks who really didn't have civil rights

    I personally tend to ignore (not purposely) the rioting but the media in its refusal to call it out for its lunancy and criminal nature is only dug in on trying to have its own Civil Rights Movement.

    The media is not doing its job in addressing facts. Its sticking a false storyline.
     
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  3. Dubious

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    Nope, it's the same movement, just a renewed phase. Children and grandchildren of the Freedom Riders
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    What renewed phase? A fight for what?
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    When Ferguson was on fire the media refused to point out one simple fact about Ferguson. Ferguson is a 66% black town. The reason the power structure was white in Ferguson had nothing to do with racism
     
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  6. JuanValdez

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    He's a good speaker. And I think he does make a good point about some of the classiness we saw in the 60s' civil rights movement. I'd like to see more people protesting in suits and hats too. But, I also think he's mistaken in a few regards.

    He has a nostalgic recollection of the civil rights era. We had race riots in the 60s, violent riots, and violent crackdowns. It wasn't all MLK and nonviolence. We don't allow the incidents of riots to besmirch the memory of the civil rights movement. But they were there.

    He presents a fox-lensed view of the protests and riots of today. I understand and appreciate his admonition of riots and looting. But he talks as though that's all that's going on now and that there is no one continuing the legacy of disciplined nonviolence from the civil rights era, and I don't think that's true. After a first few days of looting after George Floyd's death and up until Jacob Blake's we've seen mostly non-violent disciplined protest, even in the face of occasional civil rights abuses by riot police. And even after Jacob Blake's death, looting and rioting has only been an issue in a couple of cities. But nonviolent protests continue broadly. So I understand condemning the street fighters in a place like Portland, but he shouldn't be ignoring what's more common in cities nationwide, including in DC.

    The African American community had an exciting cadre of leadership in the 60s. Of course they had King who was nationally recognized, intelligent, eloquent, and principled. But they also had a new crop of activist black clergy and community organizations. It feels like we've lost a lot of that organizational framework. But, I've been very encouraged actually over this summer that there are BLM and progressive organizations that have done a lot of good work building their organizations and showing leadership. While there might be rioting in Kenosha, in places like Baltimore or Philadelphia we've seen disciplined organization and peaceful demonstration. I really liked watching the video of federal police tear-gassing protesters in DC because you can see how the organizers coach protesters to fall back and keep themselves safe. It might not be the sort of thing you can really understand or appreciate except in hindsight, but I'm hopeful that what we see today is the best leadership and organization for civil rights that we've had since 1968. Maybe there will be a national figure to emerge like King once did.

    So anyway, I appreciate him and I appreciate his call for calm and dignity. But I really think there's a lot of good things going on and a lot to be hopeful about.

    PS: Basso, you encourage us to watch the whole thing, but the video you posted was edited. And I don't know how your propagandists might have shaped his messaging with their editorial choices.
     
  7. Nook

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    Some crotchety old black men in the 1960's....... "I would go further and say what's going on today as being equivalent to Emancipation is disrespectful to negroes that really were slaves."
     
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    I read this in Uncle Ruckus' voice.
     
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  9. basso

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    only copy i've seen, but feel free to post a more complete version if you can find one.
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Pilice brutality has affected a few blacksjs. Furthermore some of the incidents are debatable imo. Regardless, blacks aren't being brutalized by police in a wholesale manner. People laugh when this is said but these are isolated incidents

    Jim Crow was a legal system. A way of life
     
  11. pgabriel

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    I take the Uncle Ruckus insults as a badge of honor at this point
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    So is there a system like Jim Crow or slavery that exists today? Hoe many blacks do you personally know who have been brutalized by police

    Thats another false narrative. Liberal whites think they are finally waking up and seeing some mass scale problem
     
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    People that are not white (especially black people) are targeted more often. are given warnings less often. are given harsher sentences in court. get hired less often when being interviewed. it is what it is I guess they just don't want to accept that. f*ck em' though right?

    I bet those Civil Rights Movement times were spoken about the same way on occasion then. "quit b****ing your grandparents were slaves wtf are you b****ing about be happy and appreciative you aren't in their shoes"
     
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    Good stuff and I agree completley but you left something out.

    In the 60's you did not have the element of anarchist using those protest to burn **** down.

    I really wish we had somebody like King who could say those people do not represent the civil rights protest.
     
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  15. Nook

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    How many black people do I know that have been brutalized by the police? Do you really want to go there with my background because it isn't going to help your point?

    I lived in the worst part of Chicago. I prosecuted a number of policemen that either killed or injured black men during police stops. I grew up and saw several incidents by the time I was 18 years old. Not every case of police brutality that I have investigated or witnessed has involved a black victim but I would say close to 75% of them if not more.

    You know........ back before the 1960's there were conservatives, and even some blacks that argued that the Emancipation Proclamation freed black people and they had the right to own a home or do almost anything that a white man could. They argued that Jim Crow wasn't bad, because it was separate but equal, and folks wanted to live by their own. Blacks still had schools, water fountains and restaurants.
     
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  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I dont care how people misconstrued the civil rights movement then.

    I have civil rights. Period. Blacks work in top companies.

    To give an example of what im talking about, someone posted an isolated incident of a Karen moment at Lowe's. I just left a Lowe's job. The CEO is black
     
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  17. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    For the second time what happened back then when people challenged the Civil Rights movement was back then . i know your background and im gonna call you out that despite growing up in the inner city youve never personally seen police brutality.
     
  18. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Yep....Ellison is one of 4 (four) black CEO's in Fortune 500 companies as of 06/01/2020.
     
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  19. pgabriel

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    So you think that there is only four is evidence of institutional racism?
     
  20. Nook

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    Yes, I have personally seen police brutality.
     
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