I am not sure he has really changed much. We have much much better players since he came here so our offense is better but not much looks different. I have seen about 4 shots by Yao at the elbow this year that JVG might not have allowed. At times our offense goes just as stale if not more so than it was under JVG. Back then our "guys" were chuck hayes, alston and wesley? Not really many points coming from those guys. When our bench players come out it looks very different. when Yao is out there the only way he is scoring is in the low post, just like JVG had him doing. There is no more talk of the high post jumpshooting "hey he shoots 84% free throws!" talk.
well at least Adelman is not bringing in one dimentional players or elder NYK players out of retirement we are now playing 10 players which JVG never did he played the startes to death ad never gave the rookies a chance to play....come one give Adelman some credit
who did JVG cut to bring in those old crappy players? He had no talent. JVG played Yao 5-6 minutes per game less than Adelman is, Adelman played Yao 51 minutes in a REGULAR season game. Also outside of his starters who did JVG have to play? I would say that is a draw at best.
Developing rookies. That is what he changed. Brooks and Landry? And none of them were high 1st round picks. Wonderful. Less pick and roll with Yao and Tracy, but that's because it's not effective. More Tracy in the post. "Bone-headed" players like him more. (Bonzi came back, traded for Bobby, which in return, was traded for Artest)
So you are blaming Luther Head on JVG? Does JVG get credit for what he did with Hayes? An UNDRAFTED rookie that is now an elite defender. The fact that Aaron brooks is good is huge because unlike Head he got almost no minutes last year.
don't forget we had mike james, francis, alston, jackson, head all were ahead of AB on his rookie year.
even if he had talent he would not use it. i think the 51 minute game you are referring to is a double overtime game. this wil never be a draw, becasue of one main reason, win or lose the team is more entertaining to watch and will not go 0-4 in the playoffs like it did in JVG's time.
Uhh, you mean 0-3. How entertaining was that SA game? Yeah he didn't have any talent but if he had it he would not have used it! What a terrible argument.
Hayes didn't learn defense from Jeff. Everyone knew defense was Hayes strong suit, but no coaches wanted to give him a chance because of his lack of offense. So Jeff did a great job just signing him, but like you said earlier, we had no talent. Jeff just signed so many players for 10-day contracts like Andre Barriet (Sp?) and John Lucas III. And what about my other points, are you going to ignore them and not give credit where credit is due?
I almost said something about the TMAC Yao curl play in my first post to start the thread. I think TMAC in the post is a result of him not being able to beat people off of the dribble. Bonzi quit on the team and was injured most of the year before he "came back" I seriously doubt he had a higher dollar offer out there. He came in fat, he was lazy and he proved how much he cared when he quit by texting it in to the trainer.
He's developed rookies, and has let players play the game even when they struggle. JVG would cut somebody and put them on the bench if they even made a mistake out there. He wouldn't let the players develop their own flow of the game. JVG instead forced them to follow his offensive plays which were basically a handful of plays that were predictable to run in the playoffs. In short with Adelman you get more freedom. With JVG you get a drill sergeant. Both have their positives and negatives.
oakley and this other washed up pg that came out of retirement played for maybe 5 games and he sucked
OK JVG had Head and Hayes. Adelman got handed to him Brooks, Landry and Dorsey. Which one of these guys does he get credit for developing?
Hayes was a Dennis Lindsey pick up. Initially Van Gundy didn't want Hayes. Lindsey persisted they re-signed Hayes. At one stage Lindsey was calling Hayes a future All Star because of his rebounding. Barrett made an impression on JVG at a Knicks training camp. Lucas was an old boys club move.
the talent that JVG was interested in is a defensive talent and he locked all his money in these type of players. Many players were added through trades or draft and never gor any playing time because they did not follow his micromanaging style of coaching. when you argue about team entertainment please provide a bigger sample than just a one game early in a season with new faces and and starters with injuries. Hell if you are going to talk about san antonio, tell me how many times did we beat them with JVG? and by the way the SA game was as boring as all JVG games.
JVG didn't want Rudy Gay and chose Battier over him. JVG chose his type of players. He picked out a roster that suited his coaching style instead of adapting to his players. He pretty much had a handful of offensive sets that were easy to pick apart in the playoffs. He made it tougher for McGrady and Yao to score buckets on offense because the team was so dependent on both of them. JVG did manage minutes far better than Adelman has though. Adelman hand picked Brooks. As for Dorsey, the jury is out still. The Landry pick is a good Morey pick, but that's not a fault you can use against Adelman. Fact is JVG had clashes with Dawson and Morey over who they drafted. It stunted the growth of our potential rookies by picking veterans who lacked athleticism. Adelman lets his players play. If there's bad team chemistry out there like early this season, he'd rather let them play through it now instead of ignoring the problem when it gets exposed in the playoffs. As I said before with Adelman you get more freedom. If the team is sucking it up, he won't immediately make a substitution at the first sign of a mistake. He'll force the players to figure it out on their own and play through it. It's just a different coaching philosophy that usually is better in the long run for a team that has the freedom to figure stuff out on their own. JVG's style caters more to undisciplined teams, and teams with limited talent. Adelman's style is better for a team with more talent that need to have the freedom to push themselves over the edge. It's like a lesser version of Phil Jackson philosophy.
i see the opposite. Adelman has try to impose the Sacto hi-post offense on the Rox. The high post nullifies the inside threat that Yao presents, for which no team has an answer. JVG's defense was pretty discipline. invalid comparison. Adelman's teams (Portland, Sacto) habitually choke, while PJax's don't
