What happens to that hasbang (dunleavy best friend) clown?

I wonder whats going to happen to you for starting a thread like this.

 

He posted in that thread asking why everyone was hating on him when he was just reporting what he heard. I think it's possible since his 'source' was supposedly Francis who very well could have been talking out his ass. Even so, I imagine he'll have to change his name if he comes back. He'll get nothing but grief otherwise.

 

jshabang.


oh, and i think he got some undeserved grief, personally. it seems like anytime someone new posts a "scoop" they get bashed and openly doubted on over half of the responses. knowing that, i'm not surprised he came with a little bit of attitude. in fact, i'm surprises anybody posts anything they overheard at all.

what confuses me is, why do people think that these posters would make things up? i mean, what good would it do them? just because their info doesn't pan out, doesn't mean that they did not hear it.

 

Let me guess...you don't have any kids. Because thats what a lot of kids do, they make stuff up to get attention and a lot of times it carries into their early pre-teen and teen years.
Do you mean to tell me you can't understand why someone would make something up to a bunch of strangers just to get attention? Its so obvious when a newbie has some 'inside' info about a topic everyone is talking about. Cmon Verse.

 

I don't think he got too much grief.

People say post counts don't really matter, and they don't in a way, but they are somewhat indicative of how familiar a poster is with the netiquette of the board. A lurker with 10 posts may be familiar or not familiar; but someone with 10,000 posts is certainly familiar. So everyone knows the person knows the rules. You also know he managed to post 10,000 times without getting banned. And finally, other regulars have read your stuff and know you well enough to judge if you are a relibale person. So, you build some goodwill that way. So when a source comes in with none of that goodwill established (and why is it all our sources (besides Clutch and Jeff) have low post-counts?), you don't know if the person is trustworthy.

Even so, the initial reaction was overly-harsh. But, that's just when it went bad. His immature behavior at the end of the thread paid for and justified the abuse he got at the beginning. Had he been a bigger man about it, he could have been a maligned source; instead he became just another TroyBarros. When people didn't believe him, he didn't say, "Well, we'll see;" he said "Just you wait!" And when the JVG stuff was really heating up, he was more insistent and abusive than ever instead of saying, "I'm sorry, it looks like my source wasn't right," like he should have.

For what it is worth, jshabang, if you are still around, I think it is possible that you were telling the truth but given bad information. But man it was poorly handled.

Btw, verse, I believe Clutch told us that TroyBarros admitted in an email to Clutch that he essentially did make his stuff up. Can anyone confirm? I don't want my potentially faulty memory to create slanders. And, jshabang's behavior was so much like TB's, I have to wonder if they are the same person.

 

SRF,


i don't doubt that as being a possibility. but, it seems that everyone who isn't known around here get branded as "making it up". i understand that we (as a bbs) want people to earn their credibility, but i think we'd be better served giving these people the benefit of the doubt until it has been proven that they are lying.

 

i agree on that. eventhough i dont have any kids, i have a young brother and 2 young sisters and they do make stuff just to get attention. i laugh at them everytime they make a sad story so just my mom will give them chocolates. im taking up nursing so im also having intense psychology classes and that is part of their development. people sometimes tend to make up stories for them to have attention, or makin up stories is one way of covering something up (like another word for EXCUSES) or just be popular for a short-span of time.

 

How do you prove something that someone 'swore' they heard a player say? Why would you give anyone the benefit of the doubt when they just started coming to this site and are desparately trying to fit in with all the bbs activity...hell a lot of people do stupid crap when they first come to this site just because they don't get the attention they 'feel' they should be getting(lord knows there have been plenty of them).

Either way, positive or negative, they are getting their attention and they can handle it anyway they want. If they stick around and their rumor is true then they can have all the apolozies from the bashers. But if they're lying, haven't they been getting everything they deserve?

I don't think bashing some poster for some BS info is all that bad, hell if they want to spew it, why shouldn't they take the criticism ,and/or props, that comes with it?
This is a bbs! Isn't this whats suppose to happen?

 

JV (not JVG ),

as i said, he did come in with some attitude. but if he hadn't, would it have changed the reaction he received? probably not. and after he got the atypical "it's BS" responses, he would have retorted with attitude, i'm sure, and justifiably so.

my point is that we should not bash these people incessantly from jump start. if they are proven to be frauds then, yeah, bash on! but in the meantime, the automatic dismissals of credibility without proof do nothing but discourage people with "authentic" scoops from posting.

just as an example, i do know a few people that are in tight with the spurs (some of the players and some of the players' parents). and i have posted some things that i've overheard from them. but i have gotten the overreactions from some of the members here, also. it's discouraging because you're only trying to post information as you hear it, but, essentially get labeled as a liar...especially if it what you report doesn't come true. so you end up holding some information back...

i dunno. maybe it's just me, but i'd like to read as much information as possible, then decipher if it's true or not. over time a person will gain their label as BSer or nonBSer...like bill "the rocket guy". there's no need to pin that label on them initially, then dare them to remove it.

 

exactly!!! so why do you doubt them?!! if you think they have the undeveloped mentality of a preteen, with serious needs for attention, you need to prove that! it's not fair to assume they have this problem (and that is a problem) if you cannot "prove" it. you're asking for them to prove something, yet have not proved the label you're thrusting upon them. that's not fair.

you're giving this bbs waaaaaaay too much credit now. this is a great place and i love to come here for bball info. but the reality is that no one here (including Clutch) is getting paid to be here, nor gaining anything tangible from it. so i can't see someone "desparately trying to fit in" to something they gain little to nothing from. the only person that would do that is a true loser with a capital L...and those Losers will prove themselves to be such over time. no need to label them as Losers initially.

maybe so. i'd guess there's just as many people that purposely post BS just to get a kneejerk reaction from the cc.net gustapo.

once again, how do you know it's BS before it's proven? you don't. you're assuming it based upon absolutely zero information...aside from their post count and date of registration. hell, if david stern registered on here tomorrow you guys would bash him, too, since he has a low post count and a recent registration date...

 

Verse, I hear ya and I think you are right that he got too much flak initially. But, the flak also provided a pretty good test. A mature sensible person would understand why people don't feel he could be trusted. Perhaps he would provide further argumentation for why his information was legit or maybe just say, 'take it for what it's worth and we'll see how it pans out.' An immature and unreliable poster would fold under that pressure and lash out at the doubters and essentially pay out a bunch of rope to hang himself with. Because even if he's telling the truth, an immature reaction shows he's likely not very good at evaluating the truth and trustworthiness of things others tell him.

So, I think this will be my test from now on: when the bashing comes (and there's nothing you can do to stop it -- the mob is too big to be controlled), the sources who become indignant will be ignored and the ones who keep their cool I'll take another look at.

 

This is the deal people,
You guys take this board stuff to serious to me, none of you guys are part of the Rockets Organization, you guys act like because you have a keyboard and post on a message board, you are some "authority" on the Rocks

Last time I checked this was for fun, nobody here works for the Rocks, so why all the hatin, I just post for fun thats it.......I got money and a job so this is just a past time and I enjoy debating sometimes thats it, its not life or death to me.

Anyway eveyone on this board is entitled to there opinion, so I accept the criticism, but I have an opinion also, nobody on this board is making millions a year working for the Rocks , so in the grand scheme of things everything on this board is in actuality "heresay"

My family is in the Music Industry and we have alot of Party's. I see celebs every week, and every day when we're on the Road, so Lying just to be on a Houston Rocks Message board is just not my style......I don't just see Ball players I see and speak to music celebs almost daily, so I don't have to lie to kick it, and I'm sorry it came across like that.........When we throw celeb Party's naturally the local Ball players are gonna show up, I saw Stevie and his boys in corner so I was nosy and brought it back to the board.

I apologize for that, because of the response I been getting.
It will never happen again.
In the future I'll keep it to myself fellow BBS'ers

PS:

Good Lookin out Verse on keeping it Real, I really appreciate that, I'm gonnashoot you my email address so I can invite you to our next big thing out here for keeping it real.
We're throwing a Bad Boy(P Diddy) at the end of July and I want to Personally invite you,as a matter of fact I'm not gonna hate....I'm better than that,
so anyone from the Board IF you catch me at the Door and Mentionthis madness I'm gonna show you a good time just to show How Real I am.....

 

No, thanks. Not a big fan of that life style.

 

if that's the litmus test, we'll lose more and more posters that might have legitimate information.


btw, immaturity does not inherently mean that you are a liar. if that's the case, anyone under the age of 16 is an unreliable liar. my suggestion is to take what anyone is saying with a grain of salt (where did that saying come from anyway? )

if these are eavesdropped conversations, what argumentation are you looking for? rockHEAD pics? audio bytes? i mean, really...

as for what he could retort with, that's illogical. you're saying that you can judge the reliability of his claim based on his retort to a inflammatory rebuttal. that doesn't make any sense. some people, like Almu or basically any of the veteran bbs'ers will take the patient "take it for what it's worth and we'll see how it pans out" approach because we've been here long enough to know about the cc.net gustapo's antics.

but if you haven't been here a long time, the gustapo is bound to p*ss you off a little bit. or maybe the poster (in this case jshabang) is just an confrontational type of person. either way, it's immaterial as to the credibility of his story. "character" is not a factor here, unless they have a traceable history of being unreliable, untrustworthy, etc.

what gets me is the people that don't even retort with logic. they just post "B.S." or cute little emoticons with "B.S." signs. at least give reason as to why it's "B.S".

oh well, i know you're right - the cc.net gustapo is too large to be controlled; but i had to voice my opinion on a trend that i find quite annoying and counterproductive to the purpose of this bbs.

 

jshabang:

no doubt. shoot me that email and i'll see if i can make it in from san antonio sometime...

 

jshabang

your a good poster like (most) of the rest of us. But it was your cocky "I will be the King" attitiude that turned people off.

You tried to guarantee something that was never guaranteed.

 

No Doubt, I completely understand and apologize..........
People were rippin me so I fell in the trap.........
Its all good though, no harm taken.....
Lesson Learned

 

im glad you did! one tip, dont let your temper overcome you coz it will just put you in more deeper trouble. instead, let them give their opinions and just look at their point of view, then look at yours then see what is the reason for the misunderstanding and try to resolve it instead of shoutin and ish.