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What features are you looking forward to with the next-gen consoles?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by RC Cola, May 27, 2006.

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What features are you looking forward to?

  1. Motion-sensor controller

    18 vote(s)
    37.5%
  2. “Next-gen” hardware

    27 vote(s)
    56.3%
  3. Ability to play HD movies

    12 vote(s)
    25.0%
  4. Free online play

    21 vote(s)
    43.8%
  5. Downloadable content

    19 vote(s)
    39.6%
  6. Linux

    5 vote(s)
    10.4%
  7. Console under $400

    22 vote(s)
    45.8%
  8. Other

    7 vote(s)
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  1. RC Cola

    RC Cola Member

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    Note that you can vote for more than one option in the poll.

    I was just wondering what some of you guys on the board thought about the features the next-gen consoles will be providing. These features could be something that has an impact on the games themselves such as online play, powerful “next-gen” hardware, or a truly innovative controller that will impact how you play games. Or it could be something that has little to do with playing games, such as the ability to play HD movies (HD DVD or Blu-ray) or offer PC-like features with a Linux OS. Or it could simply be that the console is “affordable.” Here are just some features that I just came up with for the poll, but feel free to post you own thoughts, especially if there is a feature (or features) that I didn't mention:

    Motion-sensor controller
    This has been one of the biggest features that Nintendo has been pushing with their Wii controller, and from all indications, it does seem like a nice step to take the video game industry in. Apparently Sony agrees as they decided to offer a similar feature in the PS3 controller, which I’m sure flattered Nintendo (;)). If implemented correctly, you won’t have to worry about memorizing complicated button sequences in order to pull off a simple lean or some other maneuver in a game. Just use motion to help you perform the action you want.

    "Next-gen" hardware
    This is the usual feature you get from next-gen consoles, although Nintendo’s decision to focus less on hardware power has led to this being a feature not available in every console. Sony and Microsoft have paid IBM and ATI/Nvidia a lot of money for processors in their consoles, and we’re starting to see the results of this with games like Gears of War, Halo 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, MotorStorm, Lost Planet, Heavenly Sword, and more. This is for the people looking forward to next-gen graphics, next-gen physics, next-gen AI, next-gen animation, etc.

    Ability to play HD movies at a relatively cheap price
    This is one of the features Sony is heavily promoting with the PS3, and MS is also providing their own option with the HD DVD add-on for the 360. Even better, with movie studios apparently holding off on forcing down-conversion until around 2010, the $500 PS3 r****d pack doesn’t seem as r****ded anymore (maybe even the better SKU of the 2 thanks to this and other news), and the HD DVD add-on for the 360 is a much more respectable add-on than once thought. I guess Microsoft and Sony must have known something about that deal; I was wondering why they were promoting the ability to play HD movies, yet offering solutions that did not support HDMI, something that seemed necessary if you wanted to watch every BD/HD DVD movie in HD. Thank goodness we shouldn’t have to worry about that anymore.

    Free online play
    XBL is a nice service, offering some awesome services, but sometimes all people want to do is play games online for free. Well, that seems to be what Sony and Nintendo will be offering. Maybe even Microsoft once they can start relying on advertising revenues instead. Pretty simple feature to describe, and hopefully we can get it from all 3 consoles, allowing us to play games online for free (well, most of them anyway).

    Downloadable content
    This is one thing that all 3 consoles will be providing in some way. Microsoft has already down a remarkable job of showing how to do this correctly, offering amazing low-budget yet highly-addictive games via Xbox Live Arcade (like Geometry Wars), as well as exclusive demos and trailers to several high-profile games like Halo 3, Fight Night 3, GRAW, and more. Sony appears to be offering some similar features with their service, as well as some of their own thanks to everything their company is involved in (movies and music for example). Then we also have Nintendo, which will be putting up many video game classics online to download and play on the Wii (from NES to N64, including some non-Nintendo consoles). With broadband being in a large number of homes worldwide, these companies are providing some excellent ways to take advantage of these fast-connections.

    Since this a bit general, I guess you guys can single out what exactly you’re looking forward to in a post if you vote for this option (Nintendo classics, demos, trailers, etc.).

    Linux
    Only one console will support this, and it may not even be all that great, but I thought I’d mention it since it might be pretty interesting…if nothing else, it kind of explains why Sony thinks they can charge $500-$600 for the PS3 and still call it cheap. :)

    Basically, the PS3 will offer something similar to the PS2 with its Linux solution, although unlike the PS2, the PS3 will supposedly offer it with every console as opposed to offering it only as an add-on. The PS2 Linux Kit allowed the PS2 to function much like any other computer running Linux, providing functionality with programs such as Firefox, Thunderbird, and Gaim. It could also perform word processing and connect to printers, cameras, flash drives, and CD drives via the USB ports. I’m assuming the PS3 version of Linux will offer similar features and possibly some new ones (ability to record TV onto the hard drive ala MythTV?). This will be a “wait and see” thing, but it could be a pretty interesting feature of the PS3.

    Console under $400
    I just put this option up there because I was getting tired of including the PS3 in everything (although given the price tag, I guess it better have all those features). That said, even though this is one “feature” that the PS3 doesn’t provide, it is probably one of the most-wanted features for a next-gen console, making the Wii and 360 very attractive (and the PS3 very unattractive) to anyone who is considering a next-gen console.

    Other
    Name says it all. Anything and everything I haven’t already mentioned. I guess this could include some of the other features in the various online plans (video chat, messaging, web browsing, etc.), or some other feature I didn’t already mention. Make sure to mention it in a post in case others would enjoy the same feature(s).

    Note that you can vote for more than one option.
     
  2. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    I broke down and bought my son a 360 for his birthday, and after seeing it on my new HDTV, I've gotta say that I'm impressed. The graphics are awesome, and I'm sure the game studios are playing catchup to the hardware. Oblivion looks fantastic, as does Burnout Revenge. I haven't played Madden '06, yet. (Madden and Revenge came with it, in a package deal at Fry's) It'd sure be nice if the HD player coming in the Fall is less than $200, and is decent. One of the things that sold me on my TV was seeing the Toshiba HD player playing through it.

    What do I personally look forward to seeing? Battle for Middle Earth II, on the 360. Being an RTS/PC fan, I've been frustrated with my inability to keep up with the latest graphics requirements for games, even RTS's. My AGP system is as ramped up as I can get it, and I still have to dial down Battle for ME II, for example, to play it. One of the things that has kept me away from consoles is the lack of RTS games. I'm looking forward to seeing how this game looks on the 360. The PS3 should rock as well, but the delayed launch, and high price, made me decide to spring for the 360. My son just turned 15, and has been a hell of a student, so getting the 360 was an easy purchase for me.

    I love Sony products, so I hope they get their act together re the PS3. They're making things tough on themselves, in my opinion. We all know there won't be nearly enough out this Fall for folks to buy. I've been in that mad scramble to find a game player before. Ain't doin' it this year. Maybe I'll get one in '07. :cool:
     
  3. halfbreed

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    I'm waiting for BFME II as well. Have you downloaded the latest trailer? It gives a quick show of certain gameplay features and supposedly how they're going to work.
     
  4. bladeage

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    Personally i am most excited about the Nintendo Wii, i think most people assume that the console wars only involve Microsoft and Sony. But people tend to forget the innovation and fun that Nintendo brings, and with this generation they are not going to fail. The Wii will be fun and cheap (rumors are that it will be $199) amd thats the way i like things, fun and cheap. ;) PS3 will fail at launch but ultimately catch up. The 360 had the advantage of getting the head start, so most people will lean towards it because of that and the price. I have a 360 and i love it. Overall, the excitement is for the Wii.
     
  5. Deckard

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    A trailer for the 360? No, I haven't seen it, although I've been wondering how the switch to a gamepad from my trusty mouse and arrow keys will work, lol! Really going to grab this game the day it comes out, and push my son off the 360 for awhile. It may turn out to be a battle royal, since he loves BFME II as well. Can two play against each other on one 360? Unlikely, I'm sure, but it'd be cool if you could. We've got 2 wireless controllers. Love those controllers, halfbreed. They're really comfortable to use. Even an old mouse & direction keys guy like me might get the hang of it! :cool:

    This is the console my son is really looking forward to getting, whenever it comes out. He's got the Cube and the DS, and is a big fan of Nintendo games. After springing for the 360, maybe I'll let him buy it himself. ;)
     
  6. omair

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    For the most part im just looking for games that i think i will enjoy. Thats why im pretty sure i am going to buy a wii because of classic nintendo games that i grew up with. I also want a ps3 because of the final fantasy series and other rpg games that sony had on the ps2 that will continue on it. The price factor for the ps3 really is a big block though. I dont care much for a blue ray player or an HD DVD capable player.
    A few days ago my brother bought an xbox360 and in the begning i was not too fond of xbox (i didnt own one but had a GC and ps2) but after a few days of playing it i am more and more impressed by it. I bought elder scrolls and my brother bought call of duty. It seems that xbox live has improved from what i remeber. So my priorities are :
    1. Games
    2. Price
    3. Graphics (hardware)
    4. Online play (my brother is big on the downloadable content though)
     
  7. halfbreed

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    Yeah, MS really hit a homerun with the controllers. BFME II was a great game on PC and I'm just hoping the console version is just as good. I don't think there'll be one vs. one on the same xbox, though, which is a bummer.
     
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    My hope is that the game is successful enough for the 360 to encourage more MS RTS releases in the future for the platform, like the Age of Empires franchise. Frankly, I was surprised to find out that BFME II was coming out for it. I didn't have a clue until after I'd bought the Xbox 360 for my son. It should really look trippy coming through the 360 on a 42" HD LCD screen.
     
  9. RC Cola

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    Just out of curiosity, for the people that voted for downloadable content or for something not listed, what specific features are you looking forward to?
    Yeah, I was a little surprised to see BFME II coming to the 360 (or a console to be more specific). I think Bethesda is working on a RTS Star Trek game, although it is a slightly different type of RTS game than BFME II IIRC. More of a space strategy game than some of these other RTS games (BFME 2, AOE, etc.).

    There were also some rumors that Ensemble is working with Bungie on a new Halo project (probably not Halo 3, although I don't know). I don't remember if the rumor mentioned if it would be an RTS, but I imagine it would have RTS elements if Ensemble were involved. There was an interesting timeline picture for the AOE series, including concepts for future titles (AOE IV and AOE V); the end of the timeline included a futuristic looking soldier, who looked a lot like Master Chief. Probably just a coincidence, but still interesting considering the rumors.

    BTW, since you already seem interested in the PS3, I should note that it is supposed to support mouse and keyboard controls for games. Maybe that will help bring some more RTS-style games to consoles as well.
     
  10. halfbreed

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    Isn't there also a new USB keyboard/mouse coming out for 360?
     
  11. RC Cola

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    Yes, but you can only use it to input text. You can't play games with it. Unless something changes.
     
  12. Coach AI

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    Certainly the controller changes are interesting, but I really don't consider Sony's minor tilt addition anything major, and I don't think the PS3 will really do much with it. And the Wii tech is a little too specific to just that console, so I don't consider it much in the overall 'next gen' picture. When it comes down to next gen, most of my interests still lie in gameplay and value. So stuff like downloadable content and game titles are more important to me.

    I couldn't care less about 'media hubs' or HD movies at this point.

    Still, with something like the Wii, I consider it the 'secondary' console that a lot of folks will want to mess with. Either a 360 and Wii or PS3 and Wii. You get the best of both worlds (in terms of features) for 'next gen' systems.

    However, stuff like this gets me excited about the new Wii controller. I think it'll be fun.
     
  13. tinman

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    i absolutely love the 360.
    the media hub is awesome. especially if your home theater has better sound setup than your computer. this is usually the case.

    i have my mp3s and photos connected from my computer to the xbox360 and its awesome. i can listen to my entire library, plus show guests my photos on my big hdtv.
    plus u can connect your ipod via usb also and it reads all the songs.

    downloading HD content is sweet. it looks so much cleaner. all the movie trailers plus game trailers look nice.

    i also like downloading all the freaking demos! try before you buy!
     
  14. Coach AI

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    Yeah, a lot of stuff Live is doing is great.

    The single media entertainment box idea is an interesting one, I just don't think the mass majority of people will bother. Something simple like plugging in your Ipod or hooking up an HDTV is probably the most amount of mass market saturation there will be. It's cool to go with the whole 'computer/videogame/media' machine in your living room, but I really don't think most people will care.

    Not too mention the format war should not, IMO, have anything to do with me wanting to play video games.

    But you are right; the online component is very cool. This is what I consider downloadable content. Like you mentioned the demos and trailers available. I also consider Live Arcade and Nintendo's Virtual Console (and whatever PS3 decides to do) under this definition. Very cool stuff.
     
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    i think the virtual console is attractive for the older crowd, because kids now havent played NES games.
     
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    I didn't really think it would be used much (at least early on), but some reports from E3 seem to suggest otherwise. It seemed like most developers that commented about the controller expressed interest in it, and already had ideas on how to use it. It even sounded like EA might use it with Madden. Of course, whether it is some gimmick-feature or something that actually improves gameplay is a whole other story.

    Also, I'm not really sure if the PS3 controller can only sense tilt and nothing else. I know that's how it was demonstrated, but they did mention it had six degrees of movement (or something like that). That seems to imply that it could do more than just sense simple tilting of the controller. That said, even if it had the same tech as the Wii controller, you couldn't (or wouldn't want to) do the same things on both. Swinging or pointing the Wiimote would be easy and intuitive; the same can't be said for the PS3 controller.
     
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    That reminds me:
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    This isn't from Nintendo...as you could probably tell by the other controller in the image.
     
  19. Coach AI

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    Lol, people still trying to make fun of the controller. Welcome to six months ago.

    From what I'd read, even the Warhawk developers didn't have much time to stick in the motion sensing in the game. It seemed like it was really added last minute.

    There was an IGN link somewhere about the differences in the controllers, and it seemed pretty drastic (in gameplay terms). I'll have to see if I can find it...
     
  20. RC Cola

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    Yeah, the controller is one of the last things developers got (or will get) with the PS3 devkits. I believe final hardware went out in January, but devkits with the controller went out just prior to E3. Along with that, I know most developers didn't know about the feature; some didn't even know about the loss of the rumble feature in the PS3 controller.

    Assuming they have the ideas though, it shouldn't be too difficult to implement in a game...which I guess is somewhat obvious since it didn't take the Warhawk developers long to implement it into their game.

    Also, FWIW, Sony claims they had this idea since around 1994. I'm not sure if that should be taken seriously though given the circumstances. To be fair, I believe they did have some patents made during the 90's that involved this type of tech, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Sony had this planned the entire time.
    I think this is the one you're taking about:
    http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705870p1.html
    I'm not sure if it is completely accurate though, at least when it comes to the PS3 controller. IGN makes it sound like the controller can only detect tilt, but if it does allow for 6 DOF, it should be able to do more than detect just tilt...unless I don't understand what tilt is. Check out this video, especially near the end with the duck:
    http://reviews.cnet.com/4660-12331_7-6519205.html
    Notice how Phil quickly raises the controller, making the duck jump out of the water. That seems to indicate more than just tilt to me.

    Unfortunately, the live video feeds of the presentation didn't show this, so a lot of people missed out on the video that showed off how the controller detects motion. Although as I said earlier, I'm sure there will be some big differences in how the Nintendo controller and the PS3 controller are used.
     

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