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What exactly can Mexico do to stop the wall?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pirc1, Dec 21, 2005.

  1. pirc1

    pirc1 Member

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    Let's not worry about if the wall would be good or bad. What is Mexico going to do to stop US from building a wll on its side? Are they going to use their army to tear it down or what? :confused:

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    Mexico Vows to Block Border-Wall Extension By MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Writer
    Wed Dec 21, 9:00 AM ET



    MEXICO CITY - The Mexican government, angered by a U.S. proposal to extend a wall along the border to keep out migrants, pledged Tuesday to block the plan and organize an international campaign against it.

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    Facing a growing tide of anti-immigrant sentiment north of the border, the government has taken out ads urging Mexican workers to denounce rights violations in the United States. It also is hiring an American public relations firm to improve its image and counter growing U.S. concerns about immigration.

    Mexican President Vicente Fox denounced the U.S. measures, passed by the House of Representatives Friday, as "shameful." His foreign secretary, Luis Ernesto Derbez, echoed his complaints on Tuesday.

    "Mexico is not going to bear, it is not going to permit, and it will not allow a stupid thing like this wall," Derbez said.

    "What has to be done is to raise a storm of criticism, as is already happening, against this," he said, promising to turn the international community against the plan.

    At least 10 million Mexican citizens are believed to be living in the United States. U.S. authorities believe about half of them do not have papers.

    In 2004, Mexican migrants north of the Rio Grande sent home more than $16 billion in remittances, according to Mexico's central bank, giving the nation its second biggest source of foreign currency after oil exports.

    Some stretches of the U.S.-Mexico border are already marked by fences, but in some heavily trafficked sections walls have already been erected by the United States, often using 10-foot-high sections of military surplus steel. Those sections, which typically run several miles, can be found in southern Arizona and California.

    It's hard to underestimate the ill-feeling the proposal has generated in Mexico, where editorial pages are dominated by cartoons of Uncle Sam putting up walls bearing anti-Mexican messages.

    Many Mexicans, especially those who have spent time working in the U.S., feel the proposal is a slap in the face to those who work hard and contribute to the U.S. economy.

    Fernando Robledo, 42, of the western state of Zacatecas, says the proposals could stem migration and disrupt families by breaking cross-border ties.

    "When people heard this, it worried everybody, because this will affect everybody in some way, and their families," Robledo said. "They were incredulous. How could they do this, propose something like this?"

    Robledo, whose son and mother are U.S. citizens, predicted the measure "would unleash conflict within the United States" as small businesses fail for lack of workers.

    He said many Mexicans felt betrayed by the anti-immigrant sentiment.

    "We learned to believe in the United States. We have a binational life," he said of Zacatecas, a state that has been sending migrants north for more than a century. "It isn't just a feeling of rejection. It's against what we see as part of our life, our culture, our territory."

    The government is scrambling to fight on two fronts. On Monday, it announced it had hired Allyn & Company, a Dallas-based public relations company to help improve Mexico's image and stem the immigration backlash.

    "If people in the U.S. and Canada had an accurate view of the success of democracy, political stability and economic prosperity in Mexico, it would improve their views on specific bilateral issues like immigration and border security," Rob Allyn, president of the PR firm, told The Associated Press Tuesday.

    Jose Luis Soberanes, head of the government's National Human Rights Commission, suggested Mexico go further.

    "I would expect more energetic reactions from our authorities," Soberanes told local media. "It's preferable to have a more demanding government, more confrontation with the United States."

    Mexico has also said it is recruiting U.S. church, community and business groups to oppose the proposal.

    And the government has stepped up its defense of migrants, airing a series of radio spots here aimed at migrants returning home for the holidays.

    "Had a labor accident in the United States? You have rights ... Call," reads the ad, sponsored by Mexico's Foreign Relations Department, which has helped migrants bring compensation suits in the United States.

    The sense of dread connected with the measures is hardly restricted to Mexico. Immigrant advocacy and aid groups in the United States are worried about provisions of the House bill that upgrade unlawful presence in the United States from a civil offense to a felony.

    "It would have a horrific impact on immigrants right organizing and immigrant communities" in the United States, said Jennifer Allen of the Tucson, Ariz.-based Red de Accion Fronteriza.

    The mistaken belief that the proposals are a done deal — they must still be submitted to the Senate — have caused "just complete fear and shock" among some activists and immigrants, Allen said.

    The House bill, passed on a 239-182 vote, includes a proposal to build 700 miles of additional fence through parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. It would also enlist military and local law enforcement to help stop illegal entrants and require employers to verify the legal status of their workers.

    Mexicans are outraged by the proposed measures, especially the extension of the border wall, which many liken to the Berlin Wall. Some are urging their government to fight it fiercely.

    "Our president should oppose that wall and make them stop it, at all costs," said Martin Vazquez, 26, at the Mexico City airport as he returned from his job as a hotel worker in Las Vegas. "More than just insulting, it's terrible."

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  2. No Worries

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    Ya know what is kinda ha-ha funny? Who do you think is going to build the wall? Mexican citizens hired by Halliburton.

    I think that they should use The Great Wall of China as the model. I also think that the government should solicit donations for the wall. Let the people who want the wall pay for the wall. That should make the wingnuts STFU.
     
  3. pirc1

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    If they use the great wall as the modeal that would be a major tourist attraction! think of the money it would bring. ;)
     
  4. DaDakota

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    How does a wall stop the tunneling exactly?

    DD
     
  5. No Worries

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    Are those who swin acorss the Rio Grande?
     
  6. Svpernaut

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    If and when they install a wall they will probably dig 20-30 feet, and maybe even dig a moat/ditch for it too.
     
  7. Svpernaut

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    Tunneling is huge problem in New Mexico and Arizona.
     
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    Word is that the Palestinians are serving as outside consultants on Mexico's attempts to stop the barrier from being built...
     
  9. Deckard

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    Will we be able to see it from outer space??



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  10. insane man

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    i have an idea.

    since we're opposed to the mbt, think illegal immigration is somehow damaging the economy, dont believe much interms of legal or human rights, dont really give a rats ass about the constitution, and frankly we believe in shooting first and asking later...lets just mine the border. that'll teach them mexicans.
     
  11. Cohen

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    I think people underestimate how much this will negatively impact our economy. I have worked in construction and healthcare...and illegal immigrants help keep costs way down in one (along with agriculture) and unlike what some would argue, and very low users of healthcare services.


    That said, if they care about their PR here, they should think about how it sounds for their Foreign Policy dept to be acting like 2-bit attorneys ready to sue for supposed labor accidents.
     
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    Like this domed structure (seen here from inside). ;)
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  13. glynch

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    Why do you say "supposed labor accidents"? Were you just working in the office in those industries?
     
  14. MartianMan

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    "What exactly can Mexico do to stop the wall?"

    They can refuse to build it. :p
     
  15. glynch

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    Immigration is the latest wedge issue for the GOP. I guess gays and Happy Holidays can only go so far.

    Frankly I think they should name it the "George Herbert Walker Bush Memorial Wall". Maybe Bush can have a dediication cermemony and Barbara can break a bottle of champagne on it when they inaugarate it.

    Maybe Jerry Falwell can say a prayer and read from Bible verses showing why in Jesus's name it is necessary that "thy wall be done".

    i do remember one humorous report in which they rounded up some undocumented workers in Florida who were working on building an immigration prison.
     
  16. tigermission1

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    They can have a guest worker program to satisfy those jobs that require people who're willing to work for dirt cheap. But there is nothing wrong with trying to reduce illegal immigration.

    Short term, a fence might help, but long term the U.S. has to work hard to prop up the Mexican economy so people aren't so desperate to migrate by the millions every single year to flee their home country.
     
  17. Dubious

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    They can appeal to the Interior Department. You know migrating animals don't have proper papers to cross at the checkpoints.
     
  18. Mr. Clutch

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    They can continue to reform their own economy so their citizens aren't so desperate to go to the US.
     
  19. Rocket River

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    I read somewhere that they will 'criminalize' illegal immigration

    I was wondering .. . what the hell does that mean
    I mean . . i thought the word ILLEGAL meant it was already criminalized

    Rocket River
     
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    Thank You.
     

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