what does the US have to do to advance to the next round?

The way I understand it:

Poland is out period.

The US has 4pts and a +1 goal differential via the 3-2 win. The goal differential is the second tie-breaker, since the US and S. Korea tied 1-1.

S. Korea has 4 pts and a +2 GD via the 2-0 win over Poland.

Portugal has 4 pts and a +3 GD (4-0 over Poland, 2-3 loss to US)

So the remaining matches are

Poland and US

Portugal and Korea

1. US beats Poland, they are automatically in.

2. US ties Poland, they are automatically in. They will have 5pts and the tie breaker over Portugal if they tie S. Korea. There would be 3 teams with 5pts and the US and S. Korea would advance and Portugal would go home.

3. US loss. This is where it gets tricky.

-If the US and Portugal both lose, then the US is in.

-If Portugal wins, then the US could still make it in as long as Portugal wins by at least two more than the US loses by. Example: Portugal 3 - S. Korea 0 That gives S. Korea a GD of -1. Then the US would need to lose by a goal at the most. Say a 3-2 loss to Poland. Then the US would have a GD of 0 and advance over S. Korea.

-If Portugal and S. Korea tie - then the US is out. Both teams will have 5pts and the US will have only 4 (if they lose).

Can someone confirm?

 

If the US advances from Group D they will play Group G.

Mexico has 6pts and will probably advance

Italy and Croatia both have 3pts and are fighting for the last spot.

The US plays Mexico if the standings stay the same.

(as it stands now)

G1 vs D2 - 06/17 Mexico vs US

D1 vs G2 - 06/18 S. Korea vs Italy

 

Geez...reminds me of the second to last week in the NFL season

 

heres where i think you might be wrong. im not sure but i belive it is like this right now.

us-4 points
s. korea-4 points
portugal-3 points
poland- nada

so if the us loses they stay at four points. if s. korea and portugal tie, s. korea has five and portugal has four points just like the u.s. then im not sure how the tiebreaker goes. if the u.s. and portugal each have four, then would the u.s. go on because of the win against them or would they go by goals? thats the only part im sure.

but if the u.s. loses and portugal and korea tie then the u.s. and port will have the same amount of points portugal CANT get five points.

 

I believe the first tiebreaker is goal differential, and Portugal is +3 right now (2-3 vs USA, 4-0 vs Poland) and the US is +1 (3-2 vs Portugal, 1-1 vs Korea). If the US loses and Portugal ties, it's still going to cause the US to be eliminated.

In summary, the US moves on if...
*They win or tie.
*They lose AND Portugal loses.

They do not move on if...
*They lose AND Portugal wins.

 

If Portugal wins, then the US could still make it in as long as Portugal wins by at least two more than the US loses by. Example: Portugal 3 - S. Korea 0 That gives S. Korea a GD of -1. Then the US would need to lose by a goal at the most. Say a 3-2 loss to Poland. Then the US would have a GD of 0 and advance over S. Korea.


What is the next tie-breaker? Suppose Portugal wins and we lose. S. Korea & US have 4 points. Suppose the goal differential comes out even. Head-to-head doesn't work since we tied with them. Then what?

 

thanks jello! my bad. The US would advance if we tie with Portugal because we beat them, the Goal differential doesn't matter. It's head to head first.

 

Ranking in each group shall be determined as follows:

(a) greater number of points obtained in all group matches;
(b) goal difference in all group matches; (ie - supercedes head-to-head results)
(c) greater number of goals scored in all group matches. If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their place shall be determined as follows:
(d) greater number of points obtained in the group matches between (only) the teams concerned;
(e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between (only) the teams concerned;
(f) greater number of goals scored in the group matches between (only) the teams concerned.
(g) drawing lots by the Organising Committee for the FIFA World Cup. lmao

So, if the US and Portugal are tied, you look first at goal differential.

pp 26, 27, Regulations, 2002 FIFA World Cup

 

Ranking in each group shall be determined as follows:

(a) greater number of points obtained in all group matches;
(b) goal difference in all group matches; (ie - supercedes head-to-head results)
(c) greater number of goals scored in all group matches. If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their place shall be determined as follows:
(d) greater number of points obtained in the group matches between (only) the teams concerned;
(e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between (only) the teams concerned;
(f) greater number of goals scored in the group matches between (only) the teams concerned.
(g) drawing lots by the Organising Committee for the FIFA World Cup. lmao


So lets say the US loses to Poland and South Korea loses to Portugal. Portugal is in; US & Korea both have 4 points.

Now, suppose the US loses by 1 and Korea loses by 2 -- we tie in (b). I don't know the total goals scored by each, but lets say it works out that we tie there as well (c).

D, E, and F are all ties since we tied with Korea... which means we could go to (G)!!! How sucky would it be for Korea if they lost, at home, on a freaking coin flip?

 

What Keeley and Major said, but since I've got this typed up:

Current standings (w-l-t, gf:ga, pts)

KOR 1-0-1 3:1 4
USA 1-0-1 4:3 4
POR 1-1-0 6:3 3
POL 0-2-0 0:6 0

Tiebreakers

1) Points, all games
2) Goal differential, all games
3) Goals scored, all games
4) Points, games involving tied teams
5) Goal differential, games involving tied teams
6) Goals scored, games involving tied teams
7) Random lots

If USA wins or ties, they advance.

If USA loses:

1) They advance if KOR wins.
2) They do not advance if POR/KOR tie. Portugal's GD will be better.
3) They could advance if POR wins by at least 2 goals, if goal differential goes their way.
3a) If POR 3:1 KOR (pays 19.00 at bet365.com) and POL 1:0 USA (pays 8.00), then USA and KOR will be absolutely tied for second in the group (1-1-1, 4:4). Suffice it to say that I wouldn't be LMAO at that point.

 

You know, if it ever came to coin flip that would be sad. They could decide it on penalty kicks in less than 10 minutes.

So if the USA loses, Korea could tie just to piss us off

 

Well that sucks. GD is more important than head to head? Damn it.

Like it matters, we are going to beat Poland.

thanks for the info keeley.

 

Both matches take place at the same time and Portugal and Korea need the points. But the US should come and take the game to a Poland team who have looked terrible so far. We can't give up 60% posession to the other team like we did today.

 

Ya basically, put it this way.

If we can't at least tie Poland, then we don't deserve to move on. Portugal and Korea are playing well, and if we can't take care of business...then it's our own fault.

I saw the Portugal-Poland match today...Poland's D is horrendous...but they did get quite a few offensive chances. If Agoos messes up enuff, it could spell disaster...eek.

 

Here are the possible scenario's listed at the world cup site

http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020611/2/wts.html

 

Jeepers. I guess that spells it out.

I'd want Mexico. we've proven we can play with them.

 

Yeah, I would definatley want Mexico as well, we are familiar with them and have a good record against them in recent history.

 

That would be a dream match-up for the US especially after the Mexico City tie. We really need to win against Poland to keep the confidence up- our chances drop significantly if we back in to the next round. Attacking Offense - we have to take chances - unless we go back to the line-up from 98 that was pure genus!
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