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What does Houston need in the Draft?

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by Francis3, Mar 22, 2001.

  1. Francis3

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    What do you see being the #1 priority for Houston in this years draft?

    Getting best player available , if doesnt fit , just trade him????

    Draft a Power Forward?????

    Draft Center??????


    I see alot of stuff in this years draft, especially if the couple of High Schoolers declare, then this years draft could be pretty deep. I would like to see the rockets grab a Center. But if no center is available then I would go after a SF or SG. I dont see Shandon Anderson coming back so I know Rudy will draft a sg/sf type player for sure in the 1st round.



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  2. Relativist

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    Actually, I don't see Rudy going after a swingman. If not a pure SF, I bet Rudy would pick up a forward who can play 3 and 4 (i.e. - Austin Croshere) I don't think it's sure at all whether Shanderson will be gone or not. Rocks don't just bail out on someone whom they feel they have obligations to.

    Anyone coming out who maybe fits that type?
    Someone who can shoot the 3, guard other 3s better than Walt? Would have to have some size and at least a little interior toughness, maybe good rebounding skills.

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  3. Francis3

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    Shane Battier, he fits this team really well. He isnt a star franchise player but very decent player.

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  4. Bay Rock

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    While I've been a silent viewer here for the last year, this is my first post. Here goes.

    I think this year has clearly revealed our lack of interior defense and rebounding. Hakeem, when healthy, can give us the type of production we need. However, given the stage of his career, we can't count on him to be healthy. The last 2 seasons serve as an example.

    Cato has not demonstrated that he is willing to accept the challenge.

    Therefore, I think Houston must use their draft pick to pick up a defensive minded center who will rebound and block shots. In my opinion, Ken Johnson is exactly what we need.

    Drafting Johnson will give Houston the flexibility of trading Cato for Austin Croshere who can play along side Mo or CWebb.

    Finally, Houston can still pick up a pure SF with Milwaukee's pick. Grizzard, TayShaun Prince, Joe Johnson (if they delcare) may be available here. Worst case, we should be able to pick up Morris here.



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  5. Timing

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    I think we need size down low and an athletic tweener forward in the Shawn Marion mold. Jason Collier might fit some of the size requirement but we need an athletic forward really badly. Every time we play a team with good forwards we get stuck with mismatches there. Walt can't guard athletic 3's to save his life and Shandon has trouble with tall athletic 3's as well.

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  6. Achebe

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    Bay Rock, welcome to the board.

    Do you think that Cato for Croshere would be a sound trade? Croshere hasn't done as much as even Cato on the floor this year... and his contract seems worse. Plus, it seems that since the Pacers have Harrington and O'Neal up front that they wouldn't really need Cato.

    I do like the idea of getting a Center in the draft this year w/ that first pick, if at all possible. If the pick remains at 13 and Loren Woods and all of the other popular phenoms have been picked (and the swingman Battier as well) would you guys use the 13 on Diop? He's young and inexperienced... but a summer w/ CD and the big man camp would certainly make him a better (certainly is strong... 'sounds as if it would make him better') option than Cato for the backup or heaven forbit starting Center for next year (should Dream not come back).

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  7. Bay Rock

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    I think Cato for Croshere is a very sound trade. Croshere has better numbers than Cato with very limited playing time. Unlike Cato, Croshere's playing time hasn't been limited because he's been injured. Its been limited given Indiana's abundance of Forwards.

    While we all know Cato is not Smits, he would free up Oneil to play his true position (PF) and he should be a better alternative at center than Perkins.

    On a per year basis, the contracts are the same (RealGM)

    I don't know much about Diop, but given he's a high schooler, I would assume he's a longer term project than Ken Johnson.

    If Dream doesn't come back, I say pick up Mark Jackson.

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    I would prefer Brendan Haywood for the Rockets. The kid works hard and has good talent. He is defensive minded and a big body.

    Sure, Woods swats a few shots but he gets pushed around the rest of the time. Haywood is the all-time shot blocker at Carolina so he's no slouch in that area.

    Admittedly, Woods runs the court better.

    How about AZ's Edgerson for a Round 2 pick? The guy looks like a miniature Artis Gilmore!

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  9. UT Baller

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    Eddie Griffen is who the rockets should go balls out for. The guy is a 3/4 who could be the best player in the draft

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    AMEN.


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    Draft the best available player who is not a guard. SF, PF, & C all need upgraded, assuming we don't sign a FA (Webber)
     
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    I think Jason Collins or Richard Jefferson would be really good pickups at #13. Jason Collins is considered to be the most all around center this year and Jefferson is a 3 that has a good offensive game and is also defensive minded. It would also be a good move to pick up Ken Johnson. Hopefully we can get all three, considering we will have around 3 picks in the draft.

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    This is very similar to my thinking. There is one caveat. If there is a HSer with crazy potential and who does not play the 1, the Rocks should invest this pick in him. This is likely to be the best pick they have for the next few years.

    Something else to consider is the worst case scenario with the Rocks FAs. Their roster could look like this (not considering the draft):

    1 Francis
    2 Cat, Francis
    3 Walt, Langhi
    4 KT, Los
    5 Cato, Collier

    Dream, NoMoney, Shandon, and Mooch could all bail. Note that the FA situation will not be settled until after the draft.

    The worst case scenario leaves the Rocks with no low block offense (Dream, MoMoney) and no third scorer (MoMoney). In addition, the draft needs that Bay Rock mentioned are all still applicable.

    The best chance to pick up a scorer will the Rock's first pick. The most likely front court position that this pick will be is the 3. If the Rocks get lucky, they may also find a scoring 3 who also plays good D.


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    With their first pick, barring a top 3 in the lottery, I think Battier would be a great addition to this team. He plays great D and can also step outside and hit the three pointer. And we all know how Rudy loves senior talent(Collier,Thomas,Drew, Dickerson,Rhodes). The Rockets will then have at least the Milwaukee pick and maybe a Dallas pick in the first round. Maybe try and package these picks to trade up to the top 15 where we could draft a guy like Ken Johnson to play the 5. Remember the Rockets have no second round(Langhi trade) pick so forget about Edgerson, altough I really love him.

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  15. Bay Rock

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    No Worries - While I like your idea of getting a scorer with crazy potential, I think Houston already has enough scorers (Franchise, Cat, Mo, Walt) and I think there are numerous scorers in the draft.

    This is why my first priority would be the best big man available at #13, then pick up a scorer at #21 or #22.

    I also think that a large portion of NBA teams are looking for a quality 5 (especially in the east). Therefore all of the decent big men may go early.


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    Diop is big and is a project,but if comes out, he will be chosen before the 12th or 13th pick.However if he is still available when the Rockets are on the board,they should pick him instead of Johnson.Diop is 7 feet tall and has good defensive ability as compared to Johnson who has good defensive skills and is more experienced but is not big enough to match up with guys like Shaq.Cato's poor work ethic and inconsistancies make him untradable at the present time.Getting a good combination player who can play the 3 or 4 like Croshere might be difficult by the time Houston is on the board,therefore I think picking up Richard Jefferson with the 12th or 13th pick would be a good idea,especially with Anderson not being able to play well at the 3 spot. Haywood is not a good post player despite being fairly strong and has bad hands, and is also quite passive like Cato.I would pass on him and draft Jefferson instead.I agree with RocketFan007,we should package the Milwaukee and Dallas pick if available and move up to get Ken Johnson,because he can back up Cato and Collier.Alternatively we could choose Jason Collins with our 2nd pick.

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    I would pick the best player available at 13, like 4chuckie said, and with the late first rounder draft for size.



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    Does drafting another center tell Collier that he's not good enough to start here or "prepare for a life of back-up"?

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    Those of you asking about drafting Eddie Griffin. He's known to have a very serious temper problem. He fights with his own teammates. From others' posts (like oeilpere's), it seems that psychological evaluation and maturity are very important when it comes to the Rockets' pick. Taking that into consideration, would Eddie Griffin still rate as high? To me, Battier seems like a Rudy pick...

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  20. No Worries

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    Yes, but I expect that he knows this already.

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