The Rockets are 10 - 0 when Jalen Green scores 30pts or more and last yr when the ball was in his hands, they went on an 11 game Win Streak. Last night he had a terrible 1st half, Amen was out of the game and Sengun and FVV had subpar games. However, he scored 30 and they got the "W" Jalen has obviously turned the corner and it appears when he is the focal point the team wins at a high level.
LOL - whatever, the guy almost gave it away with like 4 straight turnovers, he had a good game but he isn't all that. How many did Jabari have? It was a team effort, Jalen did well, Jabari did well, Tari...we had what 4 players with 20 points..... We still need a "DUDE" Jalen isn't it. DD
my thing with Jalen is that I think his overall game has significantly improved, including the passing and court vision. But the turnovers are still pretty bad. I don’t think he’s the guy to set up the offense. He can’t take care of the ball, the handles need work and the court vision is still coming along. But I do see a young player who took a huge step this season in most facets of the game including shooting efficiency. He continues to play good D and you saw last night that his processing and passing has improved. I think Jalen can end up being an excellent 2-guard if the shooting continues to improve. But he’s not particularly a high IQ player and I don’t want him with the ball in his hands as the defacto point guard. He’s earned my support as our 2-guard if he can continue to play well through the rest of the season and the playoffs. It’s only fair to mention that while I think Amen has a much higher Bball IQ and better court vision/processing than Jalen, his handles are also bad and he can’t take care of the ball either. And Fred just doesn’t really mesh well with Jalen pace-wise, he’s had a terrible year. These things are why I’m hoping we give significant consideration to bringing in a Harden, Trae Young, or LaMelo this offseason. But I really think Jalen is coming into his own as a 2-guard.
The Rockets win when Green has a good game. The issue is when he doesn't. His off-ball defense is bad. When his offense is great, the defensive issues aren't big enough to matter. When the offense is off, the defensive issue gets magnified as others have to cover his slow rotation as well as make up the offense. He needs to be consistent enough shooting that his TS% is near league average.
It tells us that Jalen's inconsistency is our weak link, and that either he needs to consistently perform well or we need to acquire a shooting guard who does. When he plays well we usually win.
I don't mind the turnovers. Anyone who handles the ball a lot AND is required to score in the NBA is going to have a high turnover rate; Harden, LeBron, Steph. It's normal
I don't want Ball, he's constantly hurt, I'm not sure about Harden's mix with this team and Trae is a defensive liability. I think they need to move forward with Amen and Jalen as the future backcourt. I would look to add a defensive center and a shooter
I'd be keeping tabs on Ant Edwards and Tyrese Maxey to see if/when either of them become available. Other than those two I'm not sure there's a guard I'd trade Jalen for right now. If Jalen does not continue to trend upward with his shooting, though, I'd start thinking about other options. Just depends on JG's level of improvement (or lack thereof, as the case may be). I think it's likely we'll go into next season with him still as the starter, though.
Agreed but I also want to point out that a *large* portion of Jalen’s turnovers are due to the soft, one handed passes he tries when swinging it around the perimeter. I’d bet it’s half of them. Like you said, every high usage player is going to give them up but I’d bet 1 per game is his soft tosses. I mean a whole turnover less per game is significant. If he just stopped those there’s a gigantic argument to be made for him as the lead guard.
If there are ONLY two players you can think of who you would trade for over Jalen, is he REALLY worth trading? I can see if there were 10 players who you thought were better but TWO? To me, I think you and others critique JG because you watch his every game and only watching other players on occasion or through highlights. Trust me, they off nights, they turn the ball over, their fans complain about them too.
They're not the only players I'd trade Jalen for--they're the only shooting guards/combo guards that jump to mind that I'd trade him for this offseason. There are plenty of other guards who are currently better than him, to be clear. They're mostly older than he is by at least a few years, and he's shown enough that I want to give him at least another half season to see what happens. If you want to get into point guards the list expands but that comes with some other roster implications. (Like, under the pure hypothetical--if we somehow traded for Cade Cunningham we're effectively deciding Amen will not be the point guard of the future.) If you want to talk about all players total, there are probably a couple dozen. I'd trade Jalen in a heartbeat for any top 20 player age 27 and under. Wouldn't even think twice about it--the odds that he gets to that level are slim.
Gotta agree with DD. Jalen's great plays helped us win, but his sloppy plays helped put us in that dangerous position. Whether Jalen is HIM or not remains to be seen, but he's definitely not there yet.
Jalen equal or over 30pts: 54% FG(11 made FG), 51% 3pt%(5+ made 3s), 6FT, 4.2 reb, 4 assists - we win 100% of these games to your point Jalen under 30pts: 40%FG (6.9 made FG), 30% 3pt(2.61 made 3s), 2.69 FTs, 4.66 reb, 3.34 assists ...a little more insight to distinguish between okay scoring Jalen games and bad scoring Jalen games: Jalen from 20-29.9 pts: 45% FG(9 made FG), 39% 3pt%(3.7 made 3s),3 FT, 5.57 reb, 3.43 assists - we win 57% of those games Jalen under 20pts: 34% FG(4.6 made FG), 21% 3pt%(1.4 made 3s),2.38 FT, 3.7 reb, 3.2 assists - we win 59% of those games ....that's a lot of data and I think what it tells us is - nothing. I don't think it's easy to quantify Jalen's impact to winning directly from those because of how many injuries this team has faced. You can't really pin it on Jalen's numbers when we are down an All NBA Defender, or have no PGs left on the roster. Jabari, Eason, Fred, and especially Amen's injuries all have sizable impacts to our win percentage because those are 4 of our top 7 guys and Jalen is probably the 3rd or 4th most important dude in that 7 man crew. I think if anything, this just confirms that we have a better chance of winning the more 3s we make(and Jalen being one of the few 3 level scorers has an oversized impact on how we do here) but I don't think we needed to dive deep into Jalen's numbers to know we need more 3 level scorers here because it's not like we can count on Amen or Sengun to hit 3s so as Jalen, Brooks, Tari, and Fred's shooting numbers go, so go the team's chances at staying competitive. We really need 2 or 3 of those guys makings 3s at a reasonable rate to keep our 3pt numbers up to give us the type of advantage we can keep with our defense.
the usual suspects gotta try and disprove Jalen with every oppurtunity, now he almost lost us the game with turnovers lol...
Seems like we just need him to be consistent How many BAD GAMES does Shai have? Jokic? How do their teams do when they do? Rocket River
The thing is Jalen isn't "HIS" guy, therefore no matter what he does good it will never amount to enough, until it becomes "HIS" guy. Maybe one day Vassilis Spanoulis will come back and save this Rockets team from the dreaded JG grasp! @DaDakota For now you'll just have to put up with us winning at his hands and losing at his hands the same.
I've been as pro-Jalen as anyone, willing to overlook his mistakes as he improved for the last few years. But you can't look at last night's game and NOT see the plays near the end of regulation when he simply coughed up the ball. If I remember correctly, one of those was a poor pass and one was due to his sometimes-questionable handle. At the same time, you have to acknowledge that he then saved the game with a timely 3 and a huge steal. Moral of my post: It's okay to be pro-Jalen and still see that his game needs work.
