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What do the republicans and the right stand for?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AleksandarN, Sep 22, 2019.

  1. Dubious

    Dubious Contributing Member

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    Who are the moral leaders of the GOP and conservatives? The religious leadership, essayist, academic writers? What is the wellspring of regressive, divisisional, authoritarian, corporate capitalism?
     
  2. Invisible Fan

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    Tax convention at the Bahamas?

    Squirreling that trillion dollar tax break away takes hard work!
     
  3. khanhdum

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    In regards to that economic accomplishment list, all the growth Trump had was stemmed from Obama's administration. Trumps economy is starting to show now and it's doing bad, like really bad. His losing China trade war is hurting the economy, his tax cuts aren't trickling down to people, and instead the CEO's are just profiting more aka his friends. To read more about it, you can read his article and really see the numbers that's affecting most Americans:

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/09/24/trumps-economic-program-has-left-most-americans-worse-off/
     
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  4. TheRealist137

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    You posted a copy pasted list of things from another website, and haven’t even defended anything yet. And I doubt you Will considering you think you “did your job” by posting a copy and pasted bullet point list from a website which you didn’t link to
     
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  5. JuanValdez

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    I'll give you my best effort to read the Trumper mind with a genuinely sympathetic attitude. A resident conservative can tell me how close or far I get.

    States rights: Not particularly. Very expansive view of executive power.

    Constitutional rights: Definitely big on free speech, free assembly, free religion, and guns. Not so big on the due process rights.

    Fiscal responsibility: After a fashion. The Trumper believes taxpayer money is being spent on all the wrong things. So when they break a budget will military spending and tax cuts, they'll see the real culprit being the other expenses -- welfare programs, regulatory agencies, etc. Fiscal responsibility should manifest in reducing the scope of government, even if they increase the scale.

    Morality: I'll have to pass on this one. I think they do believe in morality in governance, but engage in rationalizations for the current Admin.

    Law enforcement: Definitely big on law enforcement -- with the vocabulary well-chosen to avoid saying "justice". They want enforcement of the rules as written with little toleration for interpretations or reflection on the consequences. They don't like arguments, for example, that enforcement of immigration law has an impact that is not commensurate to the crime or that it is ultimately counter-productive.

    Institutions: They believe these institutions were already corrupt, and they are either getting better or else their destruction is warranted. For example, the press made itself into an un-elected power broker captive to a particular liberal political cabal. Partisan outlets like Fox News is just fighting fire with fire and undermining the credibility of the press by calling it fake news is making them more accountable. The norms of campaigns and governance are pharisaical additions to the law that prevent us from being free.

    When it comes to the application of the law to the President, you have a nexus of several issues. First is the very expansive view on executive power -- the President is ultimately responsible for everything so he's allowed to do almost anything. The second is the aversion to creative interpretation of the law. The article on impeachment demands that the Congress be creative by not defining what a crime is, so it is suspected of being a tool for mere electoral advantage. The third is that they see the whole prospect of holding the president accountable jaundiced by the corruption of our democratic institutions. The press is just trying to manipulate people to keep him out of power. The complaining about Trump's unpresidential behavior is just people trying to "add to the law" about what the president isn't allowed to do -- and as I said, his power within his jurisidiction is nearly unlimited.
     
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  6. Invisible Fan

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    Murkan Exceptionalism at its finest!
     
  7. jo mama

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    tax cuts for the wealthy
    socialist taxpayer funded subsidies for farmers harmed by trumps socialist trade policies
    bragging about sexual assault of women
    sex with p*rn stars
    cheating on your wives
    slandering POWs
    deficit spending
    increased debt
    sucking up to russia
    aligning with brutal authoritarian thugs all over the world
    climate change denial
     
  8. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Copy and paste a list from the Washington Examiner which you've never even read yourself that is full of nonsense and you get called out on it. Sounds about right. You read that list yet there Einstein?
     
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  9. mick fry

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    Of course I read it, what are your discrepancies? Did I claim to write that list? I thought it was a pretty obvious paste myself. It’s a list that I for the most part approve and believe in, that was the question right?
     
  10. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    I've already listed several. Maybe you should read them after you're done reading the garbage you posted.

    No, the question was what do Republicans and the right stand for not what propaganda can you find online to copy and paste here because you're unable to articulate what you support on your own.
     
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  11. mick fry

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    I seen your edited post after I had already posted. This is a troll thread to degrade Trump and his supporters so I posted what Trumps accomplishments were. Do I agree with all of it? No. Do you agree with any if it? Yes but you won’t say it. Now get back to your circle, jerk.
     
  12. Hemingway

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    Typical Democrat. Limiting free speech to only those that agree with their Socialist agenda. Mick did a lot of work to answer the ops question. Of course, you can’t handle the truth.
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Never Trump
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    Money over honor and integrity.

    DD
     
  14. AleksandarN

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    Why did you spam the thread with 5 posts of copy and paste material that was not your own. Why didn’t you post a link of the original material?

    Going by what you posted looks like you believe in plagiarism. What‘s worse there is a lot of stuff in those posts that Obama accomplished and you are trying to make it sound like it was all Trump. No that I think about it this all makes sense.
     
  15. AleksandarN

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    Did a lot work? Lol
     
  16. mick fry

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    How the hell would I post 7 consecutive posts one right after the other if it wasn’t a paste? Either I’m a Typing mfer or you all are dense as hell.
     
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  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota Never Trump
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    Try thinking for yourself, and lay off the propaganda.

    DD
     
  18. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Well, first of all Trump lies every day about nearly every thing so it's not difficult to portray you as a useful idiots when you support and condone everything he does. That's not trolling, those are just inconvenient facts. Second of all, once you read your copy and paste then you and I can discuss it or as the thread title states, you can simply state for yourself what Republicans and the right stand for since we know it's not the truth or facts or even Democracy for that matter.
     
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  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota Never Trump
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    Since we are cut and pasting:

    Dear Republicans:
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    You didn’t object when you heard Donald Trump say he likes to grab women “by the p***y.”
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    You didn’t object when he kicked the American media out of the Oval Office and handed two Russian spies classified data entrusted to him by one of our allies.
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    You didn’t object when he likened our intelligence community to “Nazis.”
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    You didn’t object when he stood before the Memorial Wall of Stars at Langley and told lie after lie about himself and the election.
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    You didn’t object while at the Helsinki Summit, he met behind closed doors with the Russian President.
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    You didn’t object to him banning the American Press from covering that meeting.
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    You didn’t object when he emerged from that meeting and sided with the Russian President over the findings of our own intelligence community.
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    You didn’t object when the Trump campaign admitted to accepting Russian offers to help him defeat SecState Clinton.
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    You didn’t object when he stood before the cameras and said; “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find 30k e-mails that are missing.”
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    You didn’t object when the Russians responded that VERY DAY with stolen emails.
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    You didn’t object when it was confirmed that the basis for the Trump Tower meeting was a total fabrication. That it had nothing to do with adopting Russian children, and everything to do with swinging the election.
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    You didn’t object when it was revealed that Trump himself floated the cover story of adoptions from Russia.
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    You didn’t object when it was confirmed that his campaign staff had met with Russian agents over 150 times, after claiming they had never met with them at all.
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    You didn’t object when the Trump campaign declined to inform the FBI about the Russian advances.
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    You didn’t object when Trump’s campaign manager gave internal data on four key battleground states to agents working for Putin.
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    You sure as hell didn’t object when those very same four battleground states miraculously shifted towards Trump on Election Day.
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    You didn’t object when Trump kicked his Attorney General out of the room and asked the FBI Director to let his National Security Advisor off the hook for lying about his contacts with Russian agents.
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    You didn’t object when Trump fired that FBI Director for declining to let Flynn off the hook.
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    You didn’t object when Special Counsel Robert Mueller said he couldn’t establish a conspiracy, largely because so many of Trump’s staffers lied during their interviews, and because Trump himself refused to submit to a live interview.

    You didn’t object when Special Counsel Mueller cited no fewer than ten instances of the president himself obstructing justice in his report: an impeachable offense.
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    You didn’t object when it was revealed he cheated on his wife with a p*rn star.
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    You didn’t object when it was revealed that he paid off that p*rn star to the tune of $130,000.00 to buy her silence just prior to the election, an illegal attempt to hide relevant facts from the electorate.
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    You didn’t object when he withdrew the U.S. from the JCPOA, which was the first and ONLY treaty that’s successfully kept Iranian nuclear ambitions in check.
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    You didn’t object when he pulled us out of the Paris Climate Accords.
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    You didn’t object when he scuttled the Obama administration’s clean air and water standards.
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    You didn’t object when he opened up vast tracts of protected wilderness to his friends in the oil and mining industries.
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    You didn’t object to the myriad cases of violations of the emoluments clause.
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    You didn’t object when he mocked a disabled man at one of his rallies.
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    You didn’t object to the recently-discovered military stopovers at Trump properties in Scotland.
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    You didn’t object when after mass shooting after mass shooting, he wouldn’t lift a finger to protect even little school children from gun violence.
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    You didn’t object when he started putting tariffs on everyone from China to Turkey, which have undeniably hurt millions of people around the world and shaken the stock markets.
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    You didn’t object when he gave the corporate farming industry $26B in compensation for their losses due to his tariffs.
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    You didn’t object when he channeled $3.6B in Pentagon appropriations to his wall on the Mexican border.
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    You didn’t object when Trump called out against “Islamic terrorism” on multiple occasions, but never once for terrorism by white nationalists.
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    You didn’t object when he forcibly separated little children from their parents.
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    You didn’t object when he confined those children to chain-link paddocks.
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    You didn’t object when a whistleblower revealed the president had on multiple occasions said things that potentially undermined our nation’s safety and security.
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    You didn’t object when his personal lawyer, his personal consultant, and his army of sycophants at Fox News have repeatedly and consistently lied about ALL of the above for three excruciatingly long years.
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    So here’s my question for you: What about any of the above do you believe entitles you to the right to call yourselves “patriots?” In anything other than today’s bizarro-world, you wouldn’t even make the rank of American.

    DD
     
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  20. AleksandarN

    AleksandarN Member

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    Two wrongs don’t make a right. I don’t want to see a copy and paste battle.
     

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