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What Could the Rockets Get From Milwaukee in the Next 5 Days?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, Sep 6, 2009.

  1. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    With Ramon Sessions now signed to an offer sheet with the Timberwolves (at a very attractive rate, no less), the Milwaukee Bucks are now on the clock with regard to whether they will match that offer sheet. Right now, most people think that the Bucks will not match, since they are currently only about $2M below the luxury tax, and Senator Herb Kohl does NOT want to pay the tax.

    But why would the Bucks not at least TRY to keep one of the best players on last year's roster, especially when that player is only 23 years old and will have a starting salary of only about $3.7M? If the Bucks could clear another $1.7M to $2M in salary off their books, they would be able to keep Sessions.

    Enter the Rockets.

    If I'm Daryl Morey, I offer to take Francisco Elson (and his $1.7M salary) off of Milwaukee's hands, using a portion of the $2.6M trade exception from the Francis deal, in exchange for a lottery protected first rounder. It'll cost Les another $3.4M in salary and tax, but he'd basically be buying a future mid-first rounder. Also, Elson might actually be useful as a backup C.

    If I'm the Bucks, I would gladly fork over a lottery protected first rounder in exchange for the opportunity to retain Sessions.

    Clock's ticking.
     
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  2. Carl Herrera

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    Doubt it will happen. Going price for $1.7 million in salary is much cheaper than a mid first rounder.

    If Milwaukee wants to dump Elson's salary, there will also be teams who are under the tax limit who will not suffer a $3.4 million economic hit to take Elson, and consequently will not charge as Rockets would for taking him.

    Presumably, those can be the same team Morey's talking to about dumping Barry's salary. I doubt Morey is ready to pay a lotto protected 1st rounder for that.
     
  3. BimaThug

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    Good point. But at least Morey should be making that call.
     
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    If that's the case, let's get it done.
     
  6. Apollo88

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    Bad idea, it's just waste of money IMO. the team is already deep in the big-men department. I don't think that adding another player is the next move for GM. They are going to trim the roster to 15, probably waive James White and Trade/Buyout Brent Barry. The trade money from Steve Francis and Rafer Alston will most likely expire, but if they can also trade Brian Cook (if there's any team that would want him) then maybe trading those money for another player might happen still I don't see it as another back-up center since the team is building up more on up-tempo game. If and when the roster miraculously trimmed down to 14, I bet GM will get another PG as back-up.

    I hear that Steve Blake is odd man out in portland with the arrival of Andre Miller, If they will like the package of Barry, Cook and White for Steve Blake plus a conditional 2nd rd pick then everything will be much better.

    Scenario for Portland? Take Barry for veteran leadership and influence on Roy and Fernandez, Let Cook get cooked on the bench and wait for his contract to expire in 2010, then waive James White so that they can finalyze the contract of Lamarcus Aldrige.

    Scenario for Houston? Take Steve Blake and make him as an off the bench combo guard for Lowry or Brooks, then when his contract expires along with Lowry, you have a choice of who to sign for 2010-2011 season. I bet Steve Blake can be a good compliment to Yao when he comes back in 2010.
     
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    It would be a bargain.

    Fernandez cost the Blazers $3M + taking on James Jones contract.

    Miami traded their 20th pick for Philly's Philly's 21st pick + $1-2M
     
  8. worzel gummidge

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    Bucks have 16 guaranteed contracts.

    A first round pick might be asking too much. Maybe a second round pick or two to help the Rockets move extra contracts of their own?
    IIRC, there was a rumor CD travelled to Croatia to scout Ukic just before the 2005 draft.

    Sharpe's name has been floated as the player Buck's will most likely waive.

    Rockets might be able to swing Sharpe (expiring contract, 2nd yr player) to the Knicks or Kings for nothing or with a future Buck's 2R pick.

    With Buck's 2010 2R pick they might be able move Barry + $3M now. Then at the trade deadline package their own 2010 2R pick with Cook + $3M.

    Brooks, Lowry, Ukic
    Ariza, Taylor, McGrady
    Battier, Budinger, Cook
    Scola, Landry, Dorsey/Mensah-Bonsu
    Andersen, Hayes, Yao
     
  9. MambaJoe

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    I highly doubt Morey will make any other moves this offseason. I strongly believe that this is it guys and we just got to make the best of it. :(
     
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    give me the Brats and the Beer. I'm drunk by the way.
     
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    This is a very good idea. If we can somehow take advantage of their situation, we have to do it. If we were to ask for a first rounder, I think we would have to include some talent in any proposed trade.


    The Bucks, will suck. I think they understand how important 1st rounders are to rebuilding teams. I would consider moving Landry for a shot in the draft. Do they even have a starting PF yet?
     
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    Maybe not landry, but pops perhaps?

    Maybe this is the reason we got him in the first place.
     
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    12 replies in to a Bucks thread and no sign yet of the obligatory Michael Redd inanity?

    Damn, either the GARM is improving or the kids aren't awake yet at 9AM.
     
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    I was gonna propose Terry Cummings .... but considering we already got Sikma from them, I don't wanna get too greedy at this point
     
  15. Stevierebel

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    Nothing is going to happen.

    As soon as the Bucks match the offer sheet, if they do, they can't trade him for many months. See Gortat and Orlando. Gortat can't be traded until December 15.

    So, no matter what we offer, we'd have to wait a while.

    We aren't going to wait. Sessions isn't happening. We like our point guards.
     
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    Way to completely not read the thread and respond to something that isn't even in discussion....

    This thread is about taking a non-Sessions asset of the Bucks payroll to help them keep Sessions, and help the Rockets get an asset, or two.
     
  17. Stevierebel

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    my mistake. I saw Sessions name and jumped the gun. Too many we need Sessions threads I guess.

    In the case of "helping" out the Bucks, we aren't going to do that.
     
  18. BimaThug

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    That's another good suggestion. Plus, if the Rockets trade for Ukic, they can use the smaller trade exception from the Rafer-Lowry deal and keep the Francis exception for later in the year. Sharpe can be acquired with a minimum salary exception.

    You're also probably right that multiple second rounders are more likely attainable than a first rounder. I'm just thinking that if the protections are good enough for Milwaukee, they'd be willing to part with a first rounder than might not be owed for several years. Frankly, I don't really even WANT too many more second rounders for 2010 or 2011. The Rockets have enough marginal young talent to last them another 2-3 years, let alone their first rounders the next couple of seasons.

    As for the Rockets using their own 2nd rounders for any purpose, they don't have their own 2nd rounder until 2013!

    --2010 second rounder - owed to Minnesota (Gerald Green trade)
    --2011 second rounder (including right to swap with the Clippers) - owed to Atlanta (David Andersen trade)
    --2012 second rounder - owed to Detroit (Chase Budinger trade, although top 40 protected in 2012, top 35 protected in 2013 and 2014, unprotected in 2015)

    Rockets can't trade Pops until December 15. James White (and his non-guaranteed contract), however, could be included in a trade package if it was going to be players for players.

    Stevierebel, you're not going to give me even a little credit here? :D
     
  19. Bob Sacamano

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    Except they already have the opportunity to retain Sessions. You're making it sound like they don't have enough cap room to resign him, when in actuality they do have the cap room, it's just going to cost like 2 million more in luxury tax. Would the Bucks really give up a 1st round pick and a possibly useful (expiring) backup center, just to save 2 million dollars?

    No offense, and I've mentioned this before, but I find it bizarre the way posters on basketball forums sometimes obsess over the luxury tax issue.
     
  20. BimaThug

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    Bob, I'm not the one obsessing. Senator Herb Kohl, the owner of the Bucks, is the one obsessing. He apparently (according to all credible news sources) has issued an edict that the Bucks are not to exceed the luxury tax threshold.

    If this is the case (and most people agree that it is), then the Bucks' front office would be well advised to get far enough under that threshold to keep one of their top players, even if it means giving up a future first rounder that might not even be payable until 2012, and even then would likely be in the mid- to late teens.

    Sure, even that might be too much. But it is by no means ridiculous or "bizarre".

    I think I've shown in the past that I am not a "pie in the sky" poster. Please don't lump me in with the other unrealistic trade proposers (no offense, guys).
     

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