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What are Universal Human Rights?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Feb 2, 2006.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    What Rights do you feel are/should be universal to all humans?
    Regardless of government/race/creed/religion/gender/ etc
    Than no Government or agency should be able to curtail
    or take away


    I think once we set the ground rules of a global society
    we can start toward a world peace [ok that is kind of cheesy but
    you get the point]

    Rocket River
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    Life, liberty, equality, and pursuit of happiness as long as it doesn't infringe on the previous rights I listed of others.
     
  3. real_egal

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    I would put food on the top of the list. Yes, the right to get enough food to feed oneself and his/her family. It's not something noble or classy, but basic.
     
  4. tigermission1

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    Bingo.
     
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    Damn Communists. ;)
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Many Americans seem to have the DON'T WORK you DON'T EAT philosophy
    I am not one of them
    However . . . . everyone IMO must pull their weight in some capacity




    Rocket River
     
  7. real_egal

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    There are still places you have nothing to work on. Some of the African countries in civil war, countries like North Korea etc, if there is danger around you every single day, nobody can do any work, and there is simply no food available. Nothing is sadder than to see farmers don't have any food.
     
  8. rhester

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    #1 No global ground rules
    #2 Justice
    #3 Truth
    #4 Individual responsibility
    #5 Self-governance
    #6 Un-regulated barter of work and goods
    #7 Individual free action
    #8 Individual ownership of property and assets

    Rights should never be guaranteed by people- they should be endowed by God.

    If people guarantee rights people can take away rights-

    And world peace can never be a right but a result - A result of correct individual free actions.

    You can kill 6 million Jews and claim to make the global society better, but you cannot do it and claim peace on earth. The only peace that ever comes on earth is because of proper individual choices with regards to ones fellow man- peace is always an individual decision.
     
  9. tinman

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    dude i remember this from ethics class!

    John Stewart Mill
    "So act, that the rule on which thou actest would admit of being adopted as a law by all rational beings."
     
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    I don't see how this can be a universal "right".

    Theoretically, in a state where everyone quits their jobs, who would produce the food?

    To guarantee any tangible goods that needs to be produced by someone implies some level of slavery doesn't it? If no one voluntarily wants to produce the food, whose head does the government hold a gun to?
     
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    food. healthcare (obviously depending on the modernity of your country...). basic education. safety. home. clothing.
     
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    3) Access to the D&D forum! Too bad for DD and Rocketman95 :D
     
  14. langal

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    once again - I don't see how things like healthcare, food, clothing, education, etc. can be considered universal rights.

    If all the health care workers (or educators, clothing manufacturers) in the US quit their jobs, would my "universal right" to health care be violated? If so - by whom? Would the government be forced to enslave doctors to guarantee my right to healthcare?

    I think there's a big difference to "rights" and public services. A nation with the capability to provide a modicum of food, clothing, healthcare to its citizens would be moreso be a question of the disbursement of surplus resources. Someone has to work to provide those resource though.
     
  15. Rocket River

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    I think SAFETY is a better right
    perhaps a right to work

    As stated if no one works. . who makes the food
    someone has to work . . . . and If everyone benefits
    i feel everyone should be responsible.

    In those cases I think it is that the right to safe living
    is being infringed upon

    Rocket River
     
  16. JuanValdez

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    I don't believe there is or could be such a thing as a universal human right. Your rights are negotiated between the people and the government. You don't get anything by being human, you get rights by being a member of a body that decides to grant that right. So, you'd need a wordwide body before you had any worldwide right. And, well, that's not happening. The UN doesn't count here, since its members are countries, not people.
     
  17. Grizzled

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    Wow. I don’t know where you’re going with that list rhester but I’d be interested to find out.

    I think the question is a very good question. I think it changes over time in response to a society or community’s capacity to provide. IIRC the founding fathers believed that education should be a right for all citizens (although I couldn’t find the reference with a quick search). Clearly this would only have been possible at a certain stage of the country’s growth. In the old west when settlement first started and people’s homesteads were spaced far apart it would have been next to impossible to provide, for example, at least very early on. All comminutes have social standards, however, and many of these standards are made into formal laws to protect the citizens and the society, and not only to protect them but to look out for their best interests. This exists on the local level and on the national level and as we increasingly become a global community it will be needed on the global level as well. There is already a Universal Declaration of Human Rights that was adopted by the UN in 1948 (that was primarily authored by a Canadian, I might add, John Peters Humphrey who was aided by Eleanor Roosevelt amongst others) but I like the idea of taking a fresh look at the question now, and I agree that if all the peoples of the world thought about this we’d find a great deal of common ground and it would help us focus on working forward towards a common good rather than fighting with each other.
    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

    I think for me some of the basics would be a right to the essentials of life, like food water and basic shelter, and I think for the most part we are at a point where we can provide this for everyone (although this may be debatable in some parts of the world). After that I’d say that basic heath care and education are fundamental rights. I think the fact that it was illegal to teach slaves how to read and wright is a testament to the importance of making sure everyone has access to good education. And basic health care is also needed for someone to have a chance to be all that they can be.
     
  18. real_egal

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    I thought I was so right and smart when I said food. Then, I saw those replies, I realized that you guys were right as well, coz a safe society does provide the possibility for people to pursue anything else, including food. But when I think again, I still think enough food is the basic and universal human rights. We are talking about human rights here, not something that anyone grants anything to others. I guess from the pure meaning here, rights means something you deserve, but that doesn't mean you will get that all the time. Yao deserves his space to operate, but he always got called offensive fouls:)

    Maybe I should say the basic and universal human rights is the right to produce/seek/earn food. Maybe that's more politically correct:)
     
  19. Grizzled

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    The various delegates to the UN represent the people of their countries, right? Perhaps I’m not following your point.
     
  20. losttexan

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    Actually these are two separate questions.
    a. What Rights do you feel are/should be universal to all humans?
    answer: people are born with no limitations. Yes, the right to kill, rape, steel; no restrictions.
    (Please no uneducated responses, we consciously give up our rights and put restrictions upon ourselves to live in a society)

    b. no Government or agency should be able to curtail
    or take away
    answer: the only thing that should not be taken away is the consent of the governed.
     

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