There is an old man who fumbled his words...who fumbled and bumbled as though he had stumbled...Imagine if Sarah Palin had asked a wheelchair bound person to stand up...Imagine if Sarah thought FDR was the President during the Great Depression...Remember that youtube on Obama where he was incoherent about "how much it costs?"....Check my prior post...It is hilarious... O my...the laughs would be about Saturday Night...Why not?...That's right...liberals are excused.... what am I talking about?...Because he is prone to gaffes? It's ok because he is on your side of the fence? It's ok when the dirty laundry is in house.... Viewers of Foxnews had a poll with 80% saying Palin won...CNN had Biden had 80%...What's the deal is there is NOTHING Palin could have said to sway entrenched liberals...Just like there is NOTHING Obama or Biden could say to sway entrenched republicans......Liberals are willing to sacrifice the economy, the war, their own son's lives for their agenda... Liberalism first right? If not, then listen to Gen. Patreaus...instead of calling him a traitor... Some liberals have charisma...others don't.... I am of the wicked belief there can be good and bad in both parties regarding leadership...The problem is that the mentality of throwing stones when you live in glass houses... Heck,...we all need to examine this...This is a problem I have with those who are supposedly "smart". and continue to throw stones... We don't want to criticize our own yard,...but should be...Had Palin stated "Stand up Chuck...O my...what am I talking about?...what would this do to Palin?....Why is it different for Biden besides he is in your yard? The thing that doesn't bother me is the strong reaction to Palin...What it does is actually help her in the eyes of those standing on the sideline watching as 2 sides in 2 different glass houses throws stones... http://blogs.chron.com/texassparkle/2008/10/oh_sarah_that_thing_you_do.html Oh Sarah, That Thing You Do I've talked to a lot of people about the debate. Just about everyone saw it that I've talked to so far. It was the most watched V.P. debate ever, with almost 70 million viewers, far surpassing last week's debate with McCain and Obama. I can guarantee you that they didn't tune in to see Joe Biden. American wanted a good close look at this woman who is inspiring so much love and so much hate among all those political. For those of us who love her, we continue to love her and smile when we see her. For those who hate her, they continue to hate her and nothing she does is going to change that. She is unapologetically conservative and they hate that. And because they hate that, they will slam her unfairly. The same can be said for those who feel the same way about Obama and his liberalism. Nothing Obama can do will change that either. But I wanted to talk to people who aren't political, but certainly vote. Those were the ones tuning in as well. Lots of them. Maybe they didn't get the policy issues and what the candidates meant by each statement, but they did get the charisma and down to earth vibe that Sarah gives. Every single person I talked to who didn't claim a party, the independents as it were, liked her. They felt she was real. They said She seemed like us. That is because she is like us. When Sarah talks about what parents say to each other during soccer games, you can be sure she was doing just that recently. Biden tried to sound like one of us by asking people to come with him to Wilmington to Katie's Restaurant or Home Depot where he says he spends a lot of time. Only problem? Katie's Restaurant closed in 1990, so it's been at least 18 years or more since Biden spent any time there. People who don't care much for politics may not understand all the nuances of policy, but they know when someone is conning them. Sarah doesn't con. She just tells it like it is. And that is why people like her. That is why people wanted to tune in and watch her. She is the new kid on the block. Different and historical. Just like Obama. It makes things very interesting for those independents that really are the ones who decide Presidential politics. She was under incredible pressure. Most of us would have crumbled long ago. Her tenaciousness and grit just make her that much more admirable to those who haven't chosen sides yet. Imagine. No matter which way this goes in November, we will have have made history, either with the first black President or the first woman Vice President. I find it all very exciting. The McCain camp made a big mistake not letting Palin be Palin and I think they are turning that around now. I say Ignore the critics on the left who will never treat her fairly or say one good thing about her. She's the real deal. Let her get out there and show everyone what a smart tough woman can do. Let her do that thing she does.
I have absolutely no idea what you just said. Shocking. I felt the same way about someone else Thursday night.
"Liberals are willing to sacrifice the economy, the war, their own son's lives for their agenda..." that is a bogus lie and you know it. The people who have made those sacrifices are the men who love engaging in warfare...... Vietnam, El Salvador, IRaq.... every freaking term of republican, that's all you guys know.
Here's the thing. I don't want this to sound rude, but can you actually come up with some evidence of this? Don't speak for other people unless you have data that can support the premise that a majority of other people think this. If that's your opinion, more power to you. (Though again, you're hardly on the sideline -- you're quite clearly on one side.) But every single poll taken of undecideds shows Biden winning by a substantial margin. Almost every single poll taken since the debate shows Obama/Biden increasing their lead. Palin's approval rating has gone steadily downhill for weeks. With that said, I'm sure Palin does appeal to some people, for whatever reason. That's fine -- we all can make individual choices. But there is absolutely zero data to suggest that she is at all appealing to moderates or undecided voters, and unless you have some data, you're basically lying here.
Well Biden is a gaffe machine...You have to excuse him for that...He thinks wheel chair folks can stand-up...He thinks FDR was President during the Great Depression...Obama doesn't know "how much it costs" (per my youtube post..I'll re-post it if you want).... So if this is a rhetoric style you do understand here goes:.....Ahem (in my liberal persona)....President Roosevelt...right here presided over the Great Depression...Stand up Franklin...O my...What am I talking about?...You can tell I'm new at this...Everyone stand up for Franklin. D. Roosevelt..God love you... and the bailout costs...well it costs...if you added everything John McCain added and then...uh...uh..it would cost...as much as you had before you voted .....uhh..Hold on a sec...I can't hear myself think....It would cost as what it would have before it ...uhhhh...I didn't get much sleep last night...laugh...ALLLLriiiight...It would cost...okay...alriiight... There...Now that you understand me know....What was I talking about?....Please tell me...because I don't know what I just said...All I know is I conjured up the evil liberal powers of Obama and Biden and that's all you got...Sorry...I hoped for more (you know substance),...but all I got was this exemplary rhetoric...God bless you....
IROC it makes an effort to engage in thoughtful debate, so I'm not sure I'll hold him to paying up for the bet. However, you... on the other hand... with your excessive ellipses... and your unwillingness to engage in anything substantive... I think I'll keep out of this forum... case in point... You managed to contradict yourself twice... within a matter of seven sentence fragments... You demonize liberals... rather than engage in substance... Which is really uncalled for... Especially since your post is built on the belief demonization is wrong... Nobody here... has questioned your character... or why you list "squirrels" as your first interest in your profile... I look forward to holding your to our bet... It will free up time for you to form your Sarah Palin fan club... and for this board to engage in more thoughtful debate...
People tend to rationalize new data within their existing paradigm rather than allowing the new data to blow up the entire paradigm. It takes a lot to change people's mind about their existing understanding. As such, Biden's "gaffes" don't make people think he is stupid because the general understanding about him is that he is smart, but runs his mouth at times. When he makes mistakes, people just think it's "Biden being Biden." On the other hand, people already have worries about Palin as a lightweight. Therefore, these interviews with Couric fits perfectly within the existing understanding and further entrench their beliefs. Why do you think Howard Dean's "Byahh!" moment hurt him so much? Because it kinda confirmed people's worries about his stability.
I think Palin is a great strategic pick: because ideologically she helps protect Southern conservative states and demographically she puts midwestern blue and purple states in play. Think less of Palin as a conservative, but more as a suburbanite: married, religious, intellectually insecure working Mom - that's as big and non-partisan a political base as you can get. That having been said, it is dishonest, deluded or ignorant for anyone, anywhere to claim she has a larger amount of relevant expertise or experience than Biden or Obama (individually or "combined" ). A President's whole job is essentially the influence and implementation of federal legislation; furthermore Congress is a co-equal (and theoretically the oldest, and arguably most important) branch of the federal government. So yeah, 20+ plus years there, with Constitutional law professorships and Foreign Policy committee chairships in for good measure, is more valuable than 6 years as mayor of basically a 5A high school, and 2 years as Governor of the snow.
nevermind your fragment sentences for a sec...The point of debate is to question the meaning...I have stated: Liberals are willing to sacrifice the economy, the war, their own son's lives for their agenda... Liberalism first right? If not, then listen to Gen. Patreaus...instead of calling him a traitor... What I meant is if you don't put liberalism first, then you should listen to Gen. Patreaus, don't call him a traitor(don't even have to agree,...though I'd defer military tactics to him)...and if you call him a traitor, then I believe you are willing to sacrifice anything based on the rationale of calling this great general a traitor...IF....IF you are a liberal with some semblance of sense and disagree on the grounds of making Patraeus out to be a traitor in a twisted view, then please...please... realize I am NOT stating you are willing to sacrifice anything in the name of liberalism... p.s. squirrels taste great.... p.s.s. If I say something,...I absolutely WILL stand by it. no special treatment is desired.
So the moral of the story is.... perception is reality...In truth, both Dean, and Palin are accomplished leaders with public service success....But the fear is to jump at mistakes and gaffes of those we are less accustomed ... Good post Carl Herrera...Thought-provoking...
Let's get this straight that you are accumulating the highlights of 2 against 1...Let's also get it straight that you have omitted the energy experience from Palin as well.... Is this fair?...Talk about dishonest, deluded, and ignorant...
ROXRAN has fallen in line with T_J, and Texx in trolling lately. Just look up a few of his posts. Lay off the booze during college football games.
