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What about a trade for Chucky Atkins or D. Stoudamire

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Desert Scar, Jan 4, 2007.

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  1. Desert Scar

    Desert Scar Member

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    Both guys are over 32 and little future with Memphis, at least both of them (you might want to keep one veteran point for stability, but not two, I don't think they will offer a substantial deal to Atkins with their commitment to DS). Atkins's contract expires this year, while DS goes through 09 at about 4 mil year.

    Granted it would not help the Rockets short term big man situation, but Yao will be back this season--I am thinking more on gearing for the playoffs. Both guys would add veteran leadership off the bench and another 3 point shooter (both guys are career 36-37%, above average). Either player's ball handling, experience and FT% could be handy to help close out pressure games--major insurance for Alston or Head needing a break, more help, or failing under playoff pressure.

    We could take them on via the trade exemption (both salaries fall below it) and Sura's expiring contract (I think team option next year). Probably only assets we would put on the table are VSpan, JL3, and Novak. Neither Hou or Memphis have 2nd rounders the next couple of years, and 1st rounder is too much value to be involved in a trade like this.

    My proposals:

    Option 1 (two part deal)
    -CA for TE
    -VSpan or Novak (their pick) to Memphis (uses part of the TE just acquired)

    Option 2
    -DS for Sura + JL3 (gives them at least another PG with some minor promise at a very low and flexible contract as a fill in. JL3 style may fit even better their anyway)

    Option 3
    -DS for TE stand alone (take's him off Memphis books so Memphis can then extend CA if they want)

    Cash can be thrown in all the above to the degree allowed by the league.

    I think it is worth it. We have to be thinking title this year, 08 & 09 and these moves helps us.
     
    #1 Desert Scar, Jan 4, 2007
  2. SuperMarioBro

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    Both are also trash.
     
    #2 SuperMarioBro, Jan 4, 2007
  3. baller4life315

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    Chucky Atkins would be a quality addition especially if the only cost of getting him was part of the TE.
     
    #3 baller4life315, Jan 4, 2007
  4. m_cable

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    I wouldn't throw in anything of value for either of these guys. Memphis would probably trade either guy for our TE or Sura just to dump salary. I'd go for a trade like that.
     
    #4 m_cable, Jan 4, 2007
  5. Desert Scar

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    Well I couldn't figure out a way to bring Steve Nash here Sherlock (no insult intended to the poster with that handle).
     
    #5 Desert Scar, Jan 4, 2007
  6. Amel

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    no thanks

    stoudemire is in a slump right now, and chucky would not be a better upgrade over Alston
     
    #6 Amel, Jan 4, 2007
  7. A_3PO

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    DS is now officially dogfood. Atkins is worth thinking about. The problem is neither player can be considered a real upgrade over Rafer. If you factor in they would likely arrive here pumped, motived and ready to please, then maybe so. Neither player is worth giving up more than a pack of chewing gum. Not even the trade exception.
     
    #7 A_3PO, Jan 4, 2007
  8. The_Yoyo

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    atkins is HORRIBLE i would not trade rafer, te sura or anyone for him. please just say no to atkins
     
    #8 The_Yoyo, Jan 4, 2007
  9. Aceshigh7

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    Screw Stoudamire. He had his chance to play here when he was a free agent if he really wanted to. Now he can rot as far as i'm concerned.
     
    #9 Aceshigh7, Jan 4, 2007
  10. Rocket_Boy_34

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    I'm with m_cable here. Although I don't want to give up JLIII, Novak, or Vspan, I'd be fine with getting rid of the trade exception or Sura for one of those guys. I'm not real high on either of them, but we wouldn't be losing much and we'd be adding at worst a slightly below average veteran, or at best a solid backup/slightly below average starter. Either way, it wouldn't hurt as long as that's all we give up.
     
    #10 Rocket_Boy_34, Jan 4, 2007
  11. drich

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    sura + rafer + TE for mike bibby would work but to hell with atkins and damon
     
    #11 drich, Jan 4, 2007
  12. drich

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    man i love this right here with you all the way on this
     
    #12 drich, Jan 4, 2007
  13. ucansee2020

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    I am pretty sure Memphis would gladly dump them to us if we're interested. Do we need them? No. Both players are old and over the hill, so I'd rather stick with JLIII and Billy for the backup PG role.
     
    #13 ucansee2020, Jan 4, 2007
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    Both cant help us. I rather have a defensive Pg who can shoot and give us the ball in limited minutes so we can play alston to 30 minutes (instead of 35 minutes)
     
    #14 Manun, Jan 4, 2007
  15. Rocket_Boy_34

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    I'm pretty sure you'd have to give up more than that for Bibby.

    Rafer, Sura contract, 1st round pick....that's about the only deal they would take from us for Bibby. (not that I'm saying we should do that, although I'd probably consider it)
     
    #15 Rocket_Boy_34, Jan 4, 2007
  16. HeyDude

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    The can both hit the open J better than Alston.....but i wouldnt give up much for them
     
    #16 HeyDude, Jan 4, 2007
  17. baller4life315

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    I'd be interested in adding Atkins or Eddie House from NJ for the TE. House isn't the greatest defender or ball handler in the world but he will absolutely punish you if you leave him open and don't respect him.
     
    #17 baller4life315, Jan 4, 2007
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    Diener, hard to trade for because of his contract situation he's not worth giving up a 2nd round pick for.
     
    #18 hooroo, Jan 4, 2007
  19. jopatmc

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    Atkins may be trash but he lit up JLIII the other night. All they did was trade baskets between them for a few minutes. JLIII couldn't even slow him down. In the last 3 games since Memphis went uptemo, Chucky has put up a little over 13 points, 7 assists, and 3 boards per game with an ungaudy assist/turnover ratio of 4.4. while shooting 50% from the field and 40% from 3.

    Of course, a significant chunk of those stats came against a hapless JLIII, and probably some of it againt a subpar defensively T.J. Ford. For the season he is putting up 14/4/2 on slightly better percentages than Rafer.

    He's another defensively challenged, scoring point guard for the most part. Repetitive with JLIII.

    D. Stoudamire is an offensive dynamo when he is on. Problem is he is old, injured, and has abused his body. Not to mention he's small and hurts a team's defense.

    Just don't see what it helps us. I'd much rather use Sura's contract to get a Mo Peterson type player. I think if Toronto can't get anything else for Mo Pete that they would take an expiring contract and a pick essentially. That is, provided they can't convince the Clippers to hand Maggette over to them. I would think that a Sura/Bonzi/pick trade for Maggette or a Sura/pick trade for Mo Pete would serve this team much better than another point guard.
     
    #19 jopatmc, Jan 4, 2007
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Do NOT trade V-Span he is a future top PG in the league.

    DD
     
    #20 DaDakota, Jan 4, 2007
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