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Were Dream's teammates the reason he won 2 championships?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Jun 4, 2006.

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Why did we win 2 (internal reasons)?

  1. Yes: His teammates were great players that understood how to win as a team

    94 vote(s)
    67.6%
  2. No: Its was just Dream who single handedly won 2 for the Rockets

    45 vote(s)
    32.4%
  1. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    This question excludes external forces(Jordan, rules of the NBA etc) and is only internal (Rockets only)
     
  2. WinkFan

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    Depends on how you look at it. Hakeem would never have won a title with 4 versions of Matt Maloney out there, but on the other hand, would the title winning teams have even made the playoffs without Hakeem?
     
  3. tinman

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    I think some of these players (post dream) have proven themeselves as great players.

    you know who they are.
     
  4. KingCheetah

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    Looking back it is easy to see how great the Rockets [94] were Hakeem, OT, Horry, Maxwell, Kenny and Cassell etc...

    95 trading Glyde Drex who taking the place of the great OT [trade not his position].

    There are some HOF names on those teams -- Hakeem, Drex, Horry, Cassell...

    The answer: of course it was a team effort.
     
  5. Air Langhi

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    I don't think dream wins those championships w/o sam, bob, and mario hitting those big shots just like shaq can't win w/o kobe closing it out at the end of games.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    I think every championship team's role players were vital..
     
  7. A_3PO

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    There are objective questions.
    There are leading questions.
    There are loaded questions.
    The way it's worded, this poll is more than loaded.

    The roster around Hakeem in 1994 was one of the weakest to ever win an NBA championship. But with Rudy's steady hand, Dream's greatness and a stifling defense, everyone found their place and contributed.

    Sam in his rookie year was NOT the great player he would later become. He got better with age. To a lesser extent the same applies to Horry. Other than those 2, nobody else went on to do anything.

    Max quit on them.
    Herrera did nothing.
    Charles Jones did nothing.
    OT did little.
    Kenny Smith? Nuff said.
    Chris Jent? Zip.
    Scott Brooks? Zip.
    Cureton? Zip.

    I may have missed a player or listed someone incorrectly. The point is teams, not individuals, win championships but our first championship team (besides Dream) was unusually weak. But championships aren't decided by analysis; you have to play the games.
     
  8. tinman

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    maxwell won them a championship.
    you want to start a maxwell thread?
     
  9. GATER

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    Dream and 4 guys from Petersburg, VA could have won the way Rudy got him to play in those 2 years. :p
     
  10. A_3PO

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    Max didn't win us a championship. The TEAM did, remember?

    Please please, no new thread. Most of us here know better than to even try and debate you about Max. I stand humbled and chastened by your threat.
     
  11. tinman

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    Cheetah,
    I agree this is the correct answer. Great teammates = great players

    You put anyone Elite player with great teammates then they can win a championship

    if you put a bunch of Elite Players and expect them to win a championship, then that might not work. they might not be great teammates.

    I remember pre-Otis Thorpe Rockets.
     
  12. tinman

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    Pardon, he helped the TEAM Win a championship.
    :D

    Why doesnt Sam Cassell get enough recognition than Vinnie Johnson. Sam is WAY BETTER than Vinnie Johnson. If he's the 'Microwave' when Sam is what what? 'The Oven'?

    What about Dennis Rodman? or John Paxon? or that scrub BJ Armstrong?

    or Kurt Rambis?

    for SURE, Dream's teammates were better than them.
     
  13. tinman

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    Or Tim Duncan cant get another championship with Horry popping 3s in Rasheed's face.
    Or Horry not hitting miracle shots for the Lakers.
    Or Mario Elie not playing tough D with the Spurs.

    oh wait, weren't they also on the Rockets Championships too? hmmm

    Is Mario Elie better than Michael Cooper?
    Is Cassell better than Danny Ainge?
    Is Horry better than John Salley?

    Dream finally had cofidence in his teammates those years because ..
    THEY DIDNT SUCK.

    so therefore it was Team effort. Look at Kevin Garnett, no one denies that guy's elite status. He cant win without any decent players.
     
  14. RocketForever

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    Do you mean the main reason, the only reason or one of the reasons?

    The main reason? No.

    The only reason? Definitely no.

    One of the reasons? Definitely yes.

    94-95 Rockets without Dream = a playoff team.

    With Dream = Champion.
     
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    Tinman your poll is worded very badly, as the above poster has already mentioned.
     
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    If you remember the 95 season than you know this statement is not correct.
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    They weren't THE reason. They were part of the reason. It worked because they played as a team. They complimented each other.
     
  18. tinman

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    Was the main reason that the Dream got better teammates? or because Dream was that much better than he was before?
     
  19. tinman

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    Teamwork or one man's excellent play?
     
  20. boomer83

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    I dont understand the argument, yes he had good teammates, but you seem to be saying that Hakeem isnt as good as he gets credit for.

    Ok, let's say you take Hakeem off the championship teams and replace him with someone else, say Ewing or Robinson.
    Do we still win the titles?

    You could word the poll: If Hakeem was taken off the team, would we still win the championships? And I will tell you that the results will favor Hakeem.

    And you put up the argument that his teammates won were they went? That was only Horry. What happened to Maxwell, OT, whom I considered the best players on the Rockets after Hakeem. Why didnt they win anything? Or how about Drexler when he was on the Blazers, he had better teammates than Hakeem and came up short in the finals.

    And the teammates, Horry and Elie who won, were only roleplayers on when they won with the other teams. Shaq and Kobe; Duncan, Robinson, Ginobli, Parker? What were they ornaments?


    My point is Hakeem was the cornerstone of those teams, without Hakeem we would not win any titles.
     

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