We should just take the Suns' offer of Robinson/Hardaway for Dream

Yeah, let's take on a guy who's career may be over, but has something like 5 years left on a massive contract.

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Problem with that quote...Penny is no superstar. Little Penny maybe, Big Penny no!

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Rocketman95

I think you are overstating the injury. Penny's injury is not as servere as many people on this BBS believe. The simply fact is that they brought penny back too quickly and he re-injured himself. Give him this season and all of the offseason to re-coup, and what him come back strong next season.

Furthermore, Dream is goner (in spirit if not in body) this season and next. He WILL sign with someone else in the offseason, and we will get nothing in return. Yeah, we'll get his cap room but with no free agents available we'll get nothing.

I believe, Shanon will wait one more year for the big payday. And if we can clear 6mil Mo will take that until he gets his bird rights. Nevertheless, I believe we should be patience and exhaust every possible trade and take the best trade offer right before the trade deadline.

And that's all I have to say about that ...

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I STILL don't think Dream is going anywhere, but here's a trade that works capwise and I like it much better.
*** Dream to PHX for:

Contracts expiring 2001:
Ruben Garces & Mario Elie

Contracts expiring 2002 (same year as Walt & Langhi) :
Corie Blount & Chris Dudley

Contract expiring 2003 (same year as Steve, KT & Collier) :
Clifford Robinson

The Rockets also receive a $1.4m trade exception!

New look Rockets
5) Dudley / Cato / Blount / Los / Collier
4) Mo T / KT / C. Robinson / Los
3) SA / C. Robinson / Walt / Bull / Langhi / Garces
2) Cat / Elie / SA / Steve
1) Steve / Moochie

Garces may have to be waived and PHX can sign him back (ala Augmon in the Quitten deal).

Now if you think this puts us out of the CWebb Debry consider this. If Webber leaves, it will likely be amicable and the Rockets have alot of valuable sign and trade contracts and the exception.

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emoreland and Rocketman2000,

This may come as a suprise but we have one guard named Steve Francis and another named Cutinno Mobley.

Just thought I'd let ya'll know that.

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Oh...and Clifford Robinson would not bring defense.

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There's lots you can do with the cap space. You can sign FAs, of course, but the cap space also makes it MUCH easier to make trades, or you can just hold on to the cap room for future FAs or deals. True, in all likelihood the only free agent activity coming out of the Rockets will be resigning Mo and Shandon, but at least the Rockets have the flexibility to make more moves. Not being able to use that cap space on a big-time FA doesn't constitute a loss in the least.

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Gater,

I like that senerio better than all the realistic options I've heard. Problem is, we'd need to dump more than 1 person. Maybe we could trade Cato and Walt to Chicago for future picks (if they have the cap room).

Also, Penny is played. I'd rather have cap space and hope than Penny with my cap filled.
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Cliff Robinson does not rebound. Shouldn't we try to fill our weaknesses?

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emoreland

Regardless of whether or not insurance pays the contract, it counts against the salary cap. The only way around that issue is to get a special injury dispensation from the league (as the Spurs did with Elliot and the Heat did with Mourning). All NBA contracts are guaranteed money. In addition, if Hardaway isn't incapacitated by the injury, insurance WON'T pay it. If he is simply a shell of his former self whatever team he is contractually obligated to is forced to pay.

For instance, I assume the Rockets have insurance to cover most of Hakeem's contract. They can't decide to cut him and say that his chronic injuries the past 2 seasons make him "unplayable" just to get the insurance to kick in.

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Chris Dudley? isn't that the dude that threw the ball at Shaq after Shaq posterized him

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emoreland-while insurance may cover the contract (and it would be only in the case his career is over), that's not what is the concern of this. It's the salary cap. He still counts against it limiting our movement. He's an SG, so he likely wouldn't start (or we'd lose our top defender in Shandon), and at his price, is grossly overpaid.

Even if we don't get Webber or Finley, I sure wouldn't mind a few more years to see if Cato can develop, or if we can get someone else to via draft/trade, in the form of Mutumbo. Ideally, if Dream had to go, I'd prefer outright releasing him with a prearranged trade (it can be a 3-way) of Walt/Los for free agents and a young, cheap, defensive minded big man (Etan Thomas or Donnell Harvey).

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All-Defensive Teams
First Team
Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Kevin Garnett, Minnesota
Alonzo Mourning, Miami
Gary Payton, Seattle
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers

Second Team
Scottie Pippen, Portland
Clifford Robinson, Phoenix
Shaquille O'Neal, L.A. Lakers
Eddie Jones, Charlotte
Jason Kidd, Phoenix


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The logic of saying "Well the odds are low of signing Webber so lets just blow all our cap room on Penny" is very faulty. Even if Penny is playing again, even the most optimistic of fans feel he will be nowhere near 100% which is why the Suns would love to unload him. Think about it, if Phoenix was sure he would return to All Star form, do you think they would be so open to unloading him? They realize that right now they are in a world of hurt with an unmovable contract and still lack the necessary frontcourt pieces to challenge for a ring. They are basically stuck in a sense and have to hope one of their young frontcourt players Tsaklidis, Garces etc. pans out and becomes the talent they need.

My preference would be to trade Walt and Los to the team Hakeem plans on signing with for FAs to be and create further cap room. I am not convinced the Rockets have zero chance at Webber but for arguments sake, lets say they completely strike out on him. If that is to happen, there are still other very viable alternatives. I would love for this team to turn around and pursue Dikembe Mutombo, Antonio Davis or Jerome Williams if they missed out on Webber. Also, depending on how they manage cap room, they could still re-sign Shandon and Mo in addition to signing one of these rough and rugged rebounders in the frontcourt. I would much prefer any of these scenarios to being saddled with an albatross like contract in Penny Hardaway.

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Not that I agree that we should trade Hakeem necessarily. But I do like the idea of getting Clifford if we are getting a lot of expiring contracts.

But it won't happen...

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We let Dream walk, get nothing in return..Shut-up!, lemme finish. Then we use the cap money in the summer on a player of our choosing not the other team's choosing and draft wisely. We get deep into the playoffs next year and up we go. That my friends is how its gonna work out.

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