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We need an offensive minded assistant coach for JVG

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ricerocket, Dec 4, 2003.

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  1. ricerocket

    ricerocket Member

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    JVG doesn't have the offensive coaching skills and mind set to carry a modern team to the finals. His defense is fine. Bring in the offensive expert.
     
  2. sun12

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    Totally agree. It is crucial in the zone era that Rox needs a creative mind on the offensive end and a backup PG.

    In college games where zone has been allowed for a long time, you see all these zone strategies in containing the big man in the middle. The guards play become crucial in the NCAA tournament.
     
  3. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Is it his schemes or the players? We didn't seem to do all that much better last year under Rudy offensively (probably slightly better). I tend to think we dont have the right mix of players. A better mix will make JVG's schemes look much better.
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    You need a posting assisstant.
     
  5. ricerocket

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    You need a spell checker...
     
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    Yeah, like Gene Hackman. He did a great job in Hoosiers.
     
  7. ricerocket

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    That may be, but even with a different or "better" mix, JVG is a hapless offensive coach. I like his D and his general ability to get the players' attention, he needs some serious help in his offensive schemes.

    Perhaps his players are that slow to learn any "O"? Is that the point in getting more new players? :confused:
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    Why do you think he is a hapless offensive coach? I think he knows what he is doing, but he prefers a defensive approach. For example, he could play Cato much fewer minutes like Rudy did, and score more points with Mo, but he wants Cato's defense and rebounding. He also wants us to move the ball. We may actually score more just ISOing all day, but JVG wants a winning system. Also JVG discouraged taking quick shots. He wants us to set up. We more score fewer points, but it's still a better offense than last year.
     
  9. jiggadi

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    I read in one of the chronicle articles that Cat and one of the assistants went over game tape to figure out how Cuttino could get better opprotunites. It looks like maybe its a little of both JVG's sytem and the players making bad decisions with and without the rock. The turnovers we have been having lately are prof of that. If we can consistently have Cat and Steve shooting off of picks I think we would be fine. But for some God awful reason they both like to have the ball in thier freaking hands before they make a move.
     
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    I've been a Rox fan since the late 70's and have seen good times bad times sad times and great times. I don't mind the losses, I've seen this team from every angle. I like to watch them even if they're in a blowout loss. Yes it has been frustrating the last few years, but what really concerns me is this. The horrible play...some of these games are nearly unwatchable. Yes I want to win, but I want to be entertained. i would sacrifice wins for a more exciting brand of hoops. I know it's just my opinion but it's what I think. JVG may be the right defensive coach, but he needs to brings more excitement to the offense.
     
  11. ricerocket

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    I don't agree Mr. C. He has proven through the years to be weak as an offensive coach despite the caliber of players he had.

    On the other hand, I don't think we need Doug Moe either. We already have one bad dresser in Calvin... ;)

    Really, I think a good "O" assistant, not a new coach, would help JVG implement more effective offensive schemes and assist in handling offensive game situations.
     
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    Last Year 93.8 ppg 44.0% shooting 14.6 TO/gm
    This Year 88.4 ppg 42.4% shooting 16.3 TO/gm


    how is this better?

    yao is better, our sf position has more offense with jj vs posey, and only the pf position could be argued to be worse offensively (though saying griffin is better than cato ain't saying much) and yet we score less, shoot worse, and turn the ball over more. and if you argue we slow it down more, then the increased turnovers is even more problematic. we have a worse offense than last year no two ways about it. whether you like the look of it more or not doesn't matter, results do, and we're doing worse.
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    I think JVG is building a better system that will be more succesful in the long run. Somehow, despite the numbers, I think the system is much better than last years. Steve and Cuttino ISOing all the time and ignoring Rudy was not a good system. It was a joke. There was no chemistry whatsoever.
     
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    In what warped world is scoring less points indicative of a superior offense?
     
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    yes no matter what the isos are worse than this years 60pt and 70pt games...:rolleyes:
     
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    Did you read it? Basically, I am saying we are having growing pains.
     
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    They are. It was a joke and an embarrassment.
     
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    scoring 60 and 70 pts are an embarrassment too, IMHO a bigger embarrassment...
     
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    Fella's, it is not his offensive scheme. If we had Jerry Sloans offensive scheme it will still be worthless if our players dont live by it and run it right. Then after that you still have to make the shot's. Some of you claim to know so much about basketball, and think the solution to everything is in a "TRADE" or "New Coach". NEWSFLASH: Its Not!
     
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    Yeah yeah yeah. dude this isn't footbal. you don't have Pardee and Gilbride coaching the offense and then Buddy Ryan working the defense. I know what your getting at, but in that case, just about every team needs and offensive assistant. nowdays, most teams are gunning for 90pts...the first one to 90 pts usually wins.

    heres what needs to happen: The NBA needs to get together a bunch of people who have never played competetive basketball before, and have them have a few meetings about rule changes, and then, whatever they can come up with, just go with that. Oh wait! They already did that. Dyan Cannon and Jerry Colangelo were the spearheads of the last rule changing process; the one that allowed zones.
     

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