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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by deb4rockets, Apr 16, 2017.

  1. deb4rockets

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    I thought the Rockets were a team, with all our guys playing an important role in getting us this far. My hats off to everyone, with Harden as our leader. Unfortunately, as I opened the sports pages today in the Houston Chronicle, you would think it was a one man show. Five full pages on the Rockets, and all 5 pages had a picture of James Harden. No pictures included any other Rockets player on any of the five pages. I feel kind of sorry for all our other players, who seem to be invisible behind the beard, no matter how much they have done to help get us this far.

    Maybe that's why it's been hard for us to get another big name star to come to Houston. They know they will be second fiddle, and the limelight taken away when they hit H-Town. Just a thought.

    Anyway, I hope all our guys get hot on the 3's, and Beverley and Ariza bring the defense we know they can tonight. Nothing would make me happier than to see us sweep OKC and show them that we aren't a team they can compete with, just because they have Westbrook. Let's bring it boys!!!! Go Rockets!!
     
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    Now that Corey Brewer is gone we only have one 50 point caliber player to market.
     
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    So shocked! How can they not put any pics of our acne model and future D League MVP - Sam Dekker.
     
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    Welcome to the NBA where Stars get the most attention as they should. You are fooling you're self if you think Harden has not been the main reason for this teams success.Last season Harden was smashed from pillar to post by the media and fans for the teams lack of success so it is only fair he gets credit for his individual play turnaround which has helped the team to thrive. You don't like it? then tough. Fair is fair.
     
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  5. deb4rockets

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    I am not saying he shouldn't get attention, nor that he is a big reason for the team success. What I said was that 5 pages of Harden and no other Rocket players in the pictures is just wrong. They deserve some of the credit too, and entering the playoffs, at least some pictures of them all would seem more like a Rockets team.
     
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    I expected some sarcastic remarks like this. Give me a break, Sam isn't even a starter.
     
  7. deb4rockets

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    I remember back in the day when it was all about the team. Clyde the Glide, Hakeem the Dream, Mario Elie, Robert Horry, and Kenny Smith were all cherished back then. It was a team in all ways, and everyone shared the attention.
     
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  8. kjayp

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    We've put all of our eggs in the Harden basket... end of story. I hope it works out - but I'm not real optimistic...

    We have assembled a team of 2nd tier talent that has all been built to supplement James. Guys that will shutup, stand on the perimeter and wait for james to toss them the ball if he needs to... Our coach and whole gameplan was chosen to supplement James - one dimensional - all offense - no d - raining 3s....

    I don't think we are going to add top talent to the mix because anybody that plays on this team has to be willing to concede to James.

    I don't want to get into a whole D12 debate... but imo it was quite evident that Dwight became disenchanted and started putting in less effort bc he wasn't happy being an afterthought on offense at the mercy of Harden's whims on ball distribution... became disenchanted, started dogging it, and left....

    We don't play team ball.... we obviously aren't concerned with developing any kind of inside/low post game... bring the ball up, 1 pass and shoot... rinse and repeat...

    This is what James wants - and we will accommodate to keep the cash cow happy...

    I wish I viewed James as an MJ or a Kobe who could carry us to a championship... but just seems to me to be more of an Allen Iverson scenario....

    I know the 'fanboys' will disagree and have a litany of stats that clearly show that harden is the greatest thing ever... but until it results in a championship... it's just conjecture...

    I'd rather we had a team that utilized all its players to their maximum potential... got the best players they could and molded the gameplan to best utilize whatever talents are present... but that ain't what we're doin....

    I'm not ragging on harden - obviously he is a tremendous player with immense talent...

    but it's the age old question....
    Do you develop your gameplan and then get the players to implement it...
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    Do you get the best talent you can and mold the gameplan to maximize their talents....
     
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    Yes, Dek embodies the wrist of the team, not pictured. Seriously, Hakeem won MVP and brought everyone out to accept it with him; that said, I do not see The Beard as denying anyone else's position. Yes, Harden should have pushed the story better but the Rox' PR is mainly responsible, along w/Cronk, IMO.
     
  10. deb4rockets

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    Nope, just don't agree at all. It's not a one man show. If Harden tries to make it one then we will get blown out first round.
     
  11. Daddy Long Legs

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    Chill out lol. Harden is a team guy. I guarantee you this is more of a free agent destination then living in okc and getting frozen out by westbrook.
     
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    This team was assembled to play moreyball. Even the one game without him they were still playing moreyball.
     
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    You're right... it's all about moreyball - but with Harden as the undisputed focal point...

    Just bc james sits a game they're not going to change the gameplan... that would require MDA making an adjustment... lol ;)
     
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    Yes, I've been saying that for a while now. James Harden is not just a star player. He's a superstar like few others in the league. I suspect some of the younger stars that aspire to be on the same level as a Harden, a LeBron, a Durant, or a Westbrook may choose to blaze their own trail on a team with lesser stars.
     
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    Wow. How wrongfully negative. 1) Yeah, the Rockets have never tried to get a second or third star e.g Howard or Durant or anyone else. Morey has never even mentioned a desire to have more than one star. 2) Yeah The Rockets after last years disaster had so so many great options to get very much better this year such as acquiring numerous stars and or very strong two way role players but turned them down 3) Yeah Now that we have showed how bad and selfish James really is we have even less chance to get another star or two way role players play with him and especially finally a point guard.
     
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    A team with one top 3 player. Couple of Top 40 players.
     
  17. deb4rockets

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    It seems that a lot of the people responding so far disagree. I guess I just see team sports differently, and like the whole team getting some attention, especially entering the playoffs. I would have loved to have seen a few pictures with highlights of our other guys too. I appreciate all our guys. I look forward to seeing Anderson hit some 3's, Clint slamming down an alley oop, Beverley agitating their offense with his defense, and Ariza getting a couple steals. This game should be fun to watch.
     
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    Umm, if this team resembles any most closely in design, it would be those 94-95 Rockets. One superstar and an entire coterie of shooters around him. Sure, Clyde was still all-star level at the time, but five years past his prime and relegated to an outside shooting/slashing role. In the end Hakeem was the best player on the planet, and he proved it by beating all the other contenders in the playoffs (Stockton/Malone, Barkley, Robinson, Shaq).

    For this Rockets team to have any chance, Harden would have to do the same thing: beat Westbrook, Kawhi, Durant/Curry, and Lebron. The template is there. It won't be east. It'll probably not happen. But hell if we can't do all we can to invoke the ghosts of those magical championship years.
     
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    Media only shows stars on promotions.
     
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    I understand the national media does that. I just thought our home town paper would be different than national media when it comes to recognizing our team, and not just publish 5 pages of pictures of only one player.
     

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