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Way to Support the Troops- Republicans Try to Ban Sale of Playboy on Military Bases

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by gifford1967, Apr 25, 2008.

  1. gifford1967

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    Jeeebus. Don't these guys ever get sick of being buzzkills.


    Bill: Stop selling Playboy, Penthouse on base

    By Karen Jowers - Staff writer
    Posted : Thursday Apr 24, 2008 8:21:42 EDT

    Concerned that the military is selling p*rnography in exchange stores in spite of a ban, one lawmaker has introduced a bill to clean up the matter.

    “Our troops should not see their honor sullied so that the moguls behind magazines like Playboy and Penthouse can profit,” said Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., unveiling his House bill April 16.

    His Military Honor and Decency Act would amend a provision of the 1997 Defense Authorization Act that banned sales of “sexually explicit material” on military bases.

    The new language would “close existing loopholes” in regulations to bring the military “into compliance with the intent of the 1997 law,” Broun said.

    “Allowing sale of p*rnography on military bases has harmed military men and women by escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes, feeding a base addiction, eroding the family as the primary building block of society, and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad,” Broun said.

    Broun said he wants to bring the Defense Department into compliance with the intent of the 1997 law “so that taxpayers will not be footing the costs of distributing p*rnography.”

    Exchange officials noted that tax dollars are not used to procure magazines in the system’s largely self-funded operations.

    But Broun’s spokesman John Kennedy contended that taxpayer dollars are involved — “used to pay military salaries, so taxpayer money is, in effect, being used to buy these materials,” he said.

    Broun’s bill, which has 15 co-sponsors and has been referred to the House Armed Services Committee for consideration, would tighten the definition of p*rnography. One part of the provision states that if a print publication is a periodical, it would be considered sexually explicit if “it regularly features or gives prominence to nudity or sexual or excretory activities or organs in a lascivious way.”

    Previously, defense officials have said, they do not consider nudity in itself to be “lascivious.”

    “It’s not our intent to have an art magazine banned,” Kennedy said. “Our intention is to enforce the 1997 law so that magazines are banned that feature nudity in a way to develop a prurient interest in a reader.”

    He said Broun has specifically named Playboy and Penthouse because those two publications “were always intended to be banned and will now be covered.”

    Playboy was determined not to be sexually explicit by the Defense Department’s Resale Activities Board of Review.

    Although Penthouse initially was banned, new ownership and a new editing team have revised its format, and the Defense Department board allowed it to return to exchanges after another review last year.

    “Few people will contest the notion that Playboy and Penthouse and others are sexually explicit,” Kennedy said. “However, DoD officials with a wink and a nod do not find that these rise to the definition.”

    Kennedy said Broun “is a medical doctor and ‘addictionologist’ who is familiar with the negative consequences associated with long-term exposure to p*rnography,” especially women in the military “who have to deal with this.”

    Until now, the board has been required to review only newly submitted material, and also reconsider material banned for at least five years, at the request of the publication.

    Broun’s proposed legislation would require the Defense Department to annually review all material that is not deemed sexually explicit now, and is therefore allowed in military stores, to determine if it should be prohibited.

    The board did not meet between 2000 and 2005, Broun said. In 2006, the Defense Department changed its policy to let banned material be resubmitted for review every five years.

    Former Penthouse publisher Bob Guccione challenged the 1997 law in court, claiming it violated his free-speech rights by using government bureaucrats as censors.

    A U.S. district court judge agreed and barred enforcement of the law. But a divided appeals court overruled, saying military exchanges are “nonpublic forums in which the government may restrict the content of speech.”

    The Supreme Court sided with the appeals court and declined to hear the case in June 1998.


    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/04/military_pornography_stores_042208w/
     
  2. Bandwagoner

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    I am guilty of contributing to a "care package" to one of my friends there where we all threw in some p*rn.

    I heard from many guys (army and USMC) that it was not uncommon for many guys to sit around watching a movie.

    If the rules are that lax on video I doubt this ending the sale of magazines at the base will really affect anyone.
     
  3. Cannonball

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    WTF is this crap? Yeah, the source of my salary comes from tax dollars but once it's paid to me, IT'S MY F'ING MONEY! If I were stationed stateside and I saved up my money to buy a new car, would it be bad because it was "taxpayer money"? I couldn't buy lingerie or sex toys for the wife because my salary comes from "taxpayer money"?

    I'm not in the military yet but will probably be in the NAVY by the end of the year. It would royally piss me off if I couldn't use my own money to buy whatever I wanted like every other American because some random douchebag had a problem with it.
     
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    The Democrats smear the troops and try to disgrace them at every opportunity. That's what's meaningful here, not some rogue Congressman from Georgia bill concerning pron.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Yeah, I laughed when I saw that quote. The joke's on him though. My salary comes from a private enterprise, but some of its revenues come from private citizens who have received tax returns from the government, so if I buy p*rn, American taxpayers will be footing the bill. :p

    I don't disagree that it might not be the healthiest thing for our soldiers or anyone else, but they can only control what is sold in the commissaries. I doubt it would have any impact on the amount of p*rnography consumed via private stores, care packages, (they have internet too, don't they?), etc. It would be more seemly to not have p*rn in the commissary, but it won't change much for the culture.
     
  6. weslinder

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    Umm, I think he was talking about the money used to run the commissary. I don't think he wants to restrict what the military buys off base. That being said, I couldn't care less either way about this bill.
     
  7. bucket

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    Huh? I don't see that in the article.
     
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    Thank goodness that Paul Broun has taken a wide stance errrrrrr I mean a firm stand on this matter. We are blessed that in America we can always count on our politicians for strong moral leadership.
     
  9. Cannonball

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    That says to me that part of their argument is that since military salaries are funded by taxpayer money, that taxpayers are paying for the p*rn.

    That's BS. If I worked for Exxon and they gave me a paycheck and I went out and bought p*rn, nobody's going to say that essentially Exxon went out and bought p*rn because that's where I got the money.

    If the government bought p*rn with taxpayers money to distribute to the soldiers, that would be one thing. But that's not what is going on.

    I have a problem with them suggesting that a soldier isn't free to buy what he wants because of the source of his paycheck.

    If they want to say that the exchange shouldn't be carrying such materials in the first place then I could understand that. What I object to is their suggestion that the American people are directly paying for whatever military personnel spend their personal income on.
     
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    Would not surprise me the least if he is one of those closet perverts.
     
  11. gifford1967

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    tj isn't too concerned about this issue because-

    1. the likelihood he would ever need to buy anything from a military commisary is about the same as Obama getting endorsed by David Duke.

    And

    2. his p*rn preferences run towards watersports involving swarthy terrorists, which aren't typically featured in plain vanilla skin rags like Playboy.
     

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