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'Watching the Economy Crumble'

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tigermission1, Aug 12, 2005.

  1. tigermission1

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    Written by the former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration...

    Watching the Economy Crumble

    Good News! Soon You'll No Longer Need an Expensive College Education to Work in the US

    By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

    The US continues its descent into the Third World, but you would never know it from news reports of the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ July payroll jobs release.

    The media gives a bare bones jobs report that is misleading. The public heard that 207,000 jobs were created in July. If not a reassuring figure, at least it is not a disturbing one. On the surface things look to be pretty much OK. It is when you look into the composition of these jobs that the concern arises.

    Of the new jobs, 26,000 (about 13%) are tax-supported government jobs. That leaves 181,000 private sector jobs. Of these private sector jobs, 177,000, or 98%, are in the domestic service sector.

    Here is the breakdown of the major categories:

    • 30,000 food servers and bar tenders;
    • 28,000 health care and social assistance:
    • 12,000 real estate;
    • 6,000 credit intermediation;
    • 8,000 transit and ground passenger transportation;
    • 50,000 retail trade; and
    • 8,000 wholesale trade.
    (There were 7,000 construction jobs, most of which were filled by Mexicans immigrants.)

    Not a single one of these jobs produces a tradable good or service that can be exported or serve as an import substitute to help reduce the massive and growing US trade deficit. The US economy is employing people to sell things, to move people around, and to serve them fast food and alcoholic beverages. The items may have an American brand name, but they are mainly made off shore. For example, 70% of Wal-Mart’s goods are made in China.

    Where are the jobs for the 65,000 engineers the US graduates each year? Where are the jobs for the physics, chemistry, and math majors? Who needs a university degree to wait tables and serve drinks, to build houses, to work as hospital orderlies, bus drivers, and sales clerks?

    In the 21st century job growth in the US economy has consistently reflected that of a Third World country--low productivity domestic services jobs. This goes on month after month and no one catches on--least of all the economists and the policymakers.

    Economists assume that every high productivity, high paying job that is shipped out of the country is a net gain for America. We are getting things cheaper, they say. Perhaps, for a while, until the dollar goes. What the cheaper goods argument overlooks are the reductions in the productivity and pay of employed Americans and in the manufacturing, technical, and scientific capability of the US economy.

    What is the point of higher education when the job opportunities in the economy do not require it?

    These questions are too difficult for economists, politicians, and newscasters. Instead, we hear that “last month the US economy created 207,000 jobs.”

    Television has an inexhaustible supply of optimistic economists.

    Last weekend CNN had John Rutledge (erroneously billed as the person who drafted President Reagan’s economic program) explaining that the strength of the US economy was “mom and pop businesses.” The college student with whom I was watching the program broke out laughing.

    What mom and pop businesses? Everything that used to be mom and pop businesses has been replaced with chains and discount retailers. Auto parts stores are chains, pharmacies are chains, restaurants are chains. Wal-Mart, Home Depot, and Lowes, have destroyed hardware stores, clothing stores, appliance stores, building supply stores, gardening shops, whatever--you name it.
    Just try starting a small business today. Most gasoline station/convenience stores seem to be the property of immigrant ethnic groups who acquired them with the aid of a taxpayer-financed US government loan.

    Today a mom and pop business is a cleaning service that employs Mexicans, a pool service, a lawn service, or a limo service.

    In recent years the US economy has been kept afloat by low interest rates. The low interest rates have fueled a real estate boom. As housing prices rise, people refinance their mortgages, take equity out of their homes and spend the money, thus keeping the consumer economy going.

    The massive American trade and budget deficits are covered by the willingness of Asian countries, principally Japan and China, to hold US government bonds and to continue to acquire ownership of America’s real assets in exchange for their penetration of US markets.

    This game will not go on forever. When it stops, what is left to drive the US economy?

    Paul Craig Roberts has held a number of academic appointments and has contributed to numerous scholarly publications. He served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. His graduate economics education was at the University of Virginia, the University of California at Berkeley, and Oxford University. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com
     
  2. blazer_ben

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    Bush= worst disaster to the Human Race.
     
  3. tigermission1

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    To be fair, this is a trend that was starting to take root long before Bush ever came into power. It's more or less a byproduct of our trade policies, immigration policy, the changing reality around the world with rising economic powers that are exploiting our weaknesses, among many other factors; it can't be attributed or narrowed down to only one thing.
     
  4. deepblue

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    You think Bush is responsible for changing it to a service oriented economy? :confused:
    Do you have any clue on how this global economy works?

    Let me give you a hint, this started way before Bush took office.
     
  5. MartianMan

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    Maybe we should all move to China.
     
  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Once you price yourself out of the labor market, it is hard to get back in.
     
  7. pippendagimp

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    China's already played out. Mark my words, the new hot to the touch venue for growth and opportunity will be Iwreck. That's where the smart money is placing its bets. With the newly installed democracy and western-style economic setup they got now, you can't go wrong bro. Plus, the hearts and minds of the people there are in tune with the ring-a-ding-ding of Freedom. Get in early on the ground floor while the gettin's still good!
     
  8. rhester

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    Most accurate assessment of the economy I have read on the BBS.

    Wake Up America! Is it too late?

    Debt, Consume, Debt, Consume! That is picture perfect.

    When will our standard of living get hit?

    Well it has- we have moved over the last 40 yrs. from a one wage earner/household economy to a two or more wage earner/household economy.

    When is the next big hit- soon to come
     
  9. RocketMan Tex

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    True. Bush just accelerated the hell out of the process, that's all.
     
  10. deepblue

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    Could you tell me how he "accelerated the hell out of the process"? Thanks
     
  11. deepblue

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    Do you honestly belive we Americans should be able to still live in a "one wage earner/household economy" when others are willing to work harder and for less money? Are we Americans inherently better than everyone else? do we not need to compete?
     
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    Tax cuts targeted towards the rich, combined with the biggest budget deficit in history, combined with the biggest trade deficit in history, combined with no job creation for the middle class.

    The middle class is slowly being exterminated. Whatever tax savings the middle class received from Bush's tax cuts have been eaten up (and then some) by the record-breaking rise in gasoline prices and health care costs.
     
  13. deepblue

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    You didn't answer my question at all.

    We are talking about out-sourcing, non-service type jobs that are leaving this country, can you explain how Bush is "accelerated the hell out of the process", and how tax cuts has actually caused more out-sourcing? thanks
     
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    The thread title is "watching the economy crumble" and I listed how Bush is accelerating that process.
     
  15. deepblue

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    But you do see the content of the article is about out-sourcing and losing high paying jobs?

    And did you not reply to my original remark "this started way before Bush took office.". :confused:

    Please debate the actual topic next time, thanks.
     
  16. bigtexxx

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    The liberals want the economy to do poorly.

    The excellent economy today is really a thorn in their side...
     
  17. rhester

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    Well we could if things were different, I am not saying I believe we deserve to.
    The context of my comment was our standard of living.
    The cause of a lowered standard of living is central banks, paper currency, debt and loss of job value.

    It has nothing to do with comparing ourselves with anyone else, I was speaking to the change in the American Economy that is taking place today and over the last 40 yrs.

    We are not better than anyone. The type government a country has brings a huge impact to its standard of living. The real driver is the banking system.
    Both our govt. and our banking system are ruining our standard of living.

    There is also a factor of the quality of workmanship and work ethic of the work force. We are dropping here also, but that is pure opinion on my part.

    In the end, the central bank and govt. policy will decide our standard of living, it is past where we have any control over these things.

    I don't think any people volunteers to fall into poverty as a nation.
     
  18. tigermission1

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    Certainly if you are working in the oil industry it would seem better than ever before! ;)

    I have a friend who works with ExxonMobile and he too believes that business has never been better.

    You will also see that the writer of the original article is anything but a liberal. He listed factual numbers, not a bias opinion.

    Moreover, there has been a large number of conservatives whom are very much alienated by the fiscal irresponsibility of this administration, which makes sense obviously when you consider that a large portion of Republican voters are 'fiscal conservatives', myself included.
     
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    lol thats a funny quote.

    i hear bushie kills kittens too.
     
  20. RocketMan Tex

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    He doesn't need to kill kittens.

    He's doing just fine killing Iraqis.
     

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