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Washington Post article on Kay WMD report found to have substantial inaccuracies

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  1. bamaslammer

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    So maybe, just maybe the Iraqis were working on WMD after all?


    MEDIA MATTERS
    David Kay rebukes
    Washington Post
    WMD-search chief says reporter misidentified source in weapons hunt

    By Kenneth R. Timmerman
    © 2003 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

    The head of the CIA's Iraq Study Group that is investigating Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction programs issued a stinging rebuke of the Washington Post on Saturday. David Kay alleged that Post reporter Barton Gellman knowingly misrepresented information he had gathered in Iraq about the hunt for Saddam's WMDs and had misidentified a key source as well as the information Kay had provided Gellman in an interview.

    Gellman's front-page story, which ran Oct. 26, was titled "Search in Iraq Fails to Find Nuclear Threat". Citing unnamed "investigators" as his source, Gellman stated breathlessly that "it is now clear [Saddam] had no active program to build a [nuclear] weapon, produce its key materials or obtain the technology he needed for either."

    Gellman alleged that the Iraq Survey Group headed by Kay was keeping secret its most important internal judgments because they disproved the CIA's key prewar contentions and would embarrass the Bush administration. According to Gellman, Kay's men secretly concluded "that Iraq's nuclear-weapons scientists did no significant arms-related work after 1991, that facilities with suspicious new construction proved benign and that equipment of potential use to a nuclear program remained under seal or in civilian industrial use."

    To reinforce the seriousness of his charges, Gellman quoted Australian Brig. Gen. Stephen D. Meekin as saying that the aluminum tubes found in Iraq that the CIA had claimed could have been used for uranium enrichment centrifuges were "innocuous." Gellman called that finding "pivotal, because the Bush administration built its case on the proposition that Iraq aimed to use those tubes as centrifuge rotors to enrich uranium for the core of a nuclear weapon."

    Gellman used Meekin to debunk Bush administration claims in several different areas, claiming that the Australian commanded "the Joint Captured Enemy Materiel Exploitation Center, the largest of a half-dozen units that report to Kay." The only problem, as Kay wrote to the Post in a comment editors relegated to the "Free for All" section on Saturday, was that none of it was true.

    Meekin, Kay wrote, "does not report, nor has he ever reported, to me in any individual capacity or as commander of the exploitation center." Furthermore, Meekin was not involved in the Iraq Study Group's investigation of Saddam's WMDs. Instead, his outfit was responsible for making a repertory of Saddam's conventional weapons programs. Indeed, as Meekin wrote in a separate letter that the Post printed side-by-side to Kay's, he had "stressed on a number of occasions" in his interview with Gellman that he did not report to Kay and that his outfit looked only at conventional weapons. "I did not provide assessments or views on Iraq's nuclear program or the status of investigations being conducted by the Iraqi Study Group," Meekin wrote.

    Insight asked Washington Post editorial-page editor Fred Hiatt why the Post ran the Kay and Meekin letters in the weekend "Free for All" section, instead of on the more prominent op-ed page during the week.

    "The Free for All page is designed primarily to give space to letters and short pieces that take the Post to task, whereas letters to the editor on the daily letters page may present substantive arguments on issues of the day without representing a complaint about coverage," Hiatt replied. "I do not regard any of these pages as more or less prominent."

    Washington Post ombudsman Michael Getler, who worked for the Post as a reporter and editor for 26 years before taking up his current post in November 2000, told Insight he was "looking into" the Gellman/Kay story but would not comment on whether the Post stood by Gellman's reporting. "Anything I do will be in my column this Sunday," he said. So far, he added, he hasn't interviewed Gellman in relation to Kay's complaints of misreporting and misrepresentation. The ombudsman's column is where the Washington Post comments on reports that its news coverage is biased or has contained serious inaccuracies.

    Kenneth R. Timmerman is a senior writer for Insight.

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  2. Major

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    So maybe, just maybe the Iraqis were working on WMD after all?

    How did you get that from this article? In all of Kay's criticism of the Post article, nowhere does he actually say or imply that Iraq was working on WMD.

    Keep trying though. Eventually, you'll find the one source who says that Iraq had WMD. Never mind the dozens of intelligence sources that disagree, but you can use that one and wave it over and over as proof of Iraq's WMD program.
     
  3. bamaslammer

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    You act as if I've been trying to do so repeatedly. I just found it interesting that the main article that many of you used to prove "THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD" is in fact faulty and a Jayson Blairesque fabrication. I didn't say that they DID have WMD, but they MIGHT still be waiting to be found. We've dug up MIG fighter jets, SCUD rockets and other weapons. So what is keeping them from burying a bunch of VX gas canisters somewhere out in the trackless wastes of the desert?
     
  4. Batman Jones

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    bama, you are so steadily, incredibly clueless it gives me a headache. No one on this board or in any media publication I've read has ever suggested there never were WMD's. Ever. To suggest any of us have been trying to push that point is ludicrous. But neither what Kay suggests the Post did or what you are obviously doing here bears any resemblance to what Blair did. (Did you even pay attention to that story?) I know you handpuppets peed yourselves you were so excited about the NYT scandal, but if you're going to use it at least use it properly. That out of the way, your assertion here is a far greater leap than anything the Post could have done. I think you know that. I almost can't imagine you wouldn't. But then again, with the witless bile you belch around here on a near minutely basis, it truly wouldn't shock me. What we have said is that Bush didn't have proof of a serious threat to the US. We haven't even said there wasn't one -- WMD or otherwise -- we have said we didn't believe him when he said he had proof. And we were right. He was lying about that. David Kay can b**** all he wants about spin. The Thielmann stuff and the various other allegations haven't gotten even the most perfuctorial denial. What we get instead is, well, isn't it great that Saddam's gone? Bait and switch, bait and switch, with a liberal dose of lying lying from the lying liars and more simpleminded lapdog handpuppet bumper sticker outrage from Alabammy and other unfortunate corners of our country.

    Your accusations are so blatantly false they don't merit rehashing (read any damn thread from any of us on the RIGHT side of this argument and consider yourself schooled), while our accusations go predictably averted, ignored and uber-clumsily spun by you and your matinee idol loverboy prezidunt. Meanwhile, having worn out 'unpatriotic' and 'traitor,' you're now moving on to 'coward' and 'candyass.' See a doctor about the Republican hand up your ass. It's making your mouth say truly stupid things.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    The only proof that I need is the Kay report.

    A vial of botox in a refrigerator is the best all the kings horses and all the kings men could come up with?

    Laughable

    Square that with the pre-war rhetoric about mushroom clouds.

    Hint: you can't do it by using Weekly World News Net daily.
     
  6. bamaslammer

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    Who pissed on your parade? You might want to see someone about all that anger. My accusations are not false. The story had "inaccuracies" in it, which in journalism means death, because the whole point of journalism is to get it right ALL of the time and if you screw up, correct it in the following edition. The Post did no such thing and went on and on how the Iraqis did not restart their WMD program and how Bush is a liar.

    I'm really getting sick of you and your personal attacks upon my character and intelligence, something which you obviously lack. It really bothers me that you call me a sockpuppet, but yet couldn't the same be said for you, repeating word for word the hot air from every liberal flavor of the month columnist or politician? I hope you choke on all the hot air you're blowing, but keep posting. I always need a good laugh. :rolleyes:
     
  7. DaDakota

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    I just can't get enough mileage out of this... :)
     
  8. SamFisher

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    oh, if only there were edit...:eek:
     
  9. No Worries

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    The head of the CIA's Iraq Study Group that is investigating Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction programs issued a stinging rebuke of the Washington Post on Saturday. David Kay alleged that Post reporter Barton Gellman knowingly misrepresented information he had gathered in Iraq about the hunt for Saddam's WMDs

    This is so rich. Methinks that Kay is calling the kettle black.
     
  10. mc mark

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    Methinks the Post might not be the only person getting their facts wrong.

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    AP: Iraqi Scientist Not Working on Bombs
    By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - An Iraqi scientist killed in the U.S. invasion and now linked by arms hunter David Kay to possible nuclear weapons research was working on an advanced gun, not atomic bombs, fellow physicists say.

    They and eyewitnesses also say Khalid Ibrahim Sa'id was killed not when he tried to "run a roadblock," as asserted by Kay, but when a U.S. tank crew blasted his civilian car without warning on an open street.

    These accounts of the physicist's research and death, provided by 10 Iraqis and supported on key points by U.N. arms inspectors, challenge a core element of Kay's testimony Oct. 2 to congressional committees in Washington.

    The Associated Press asked Kay's Iraq Survey Group to better detail its allegations about the late scientist, but the ISG repeatedly declined. The U.S. weapons hunters also have not disclosed any basis for such allegations to U.N. inspectors, although they had been expected to do so under U.N. resolutions.

    President Bush endorsed Kay's work again Oct. 28, telling reporters his chief weapons investigator "continues to ferret out the truth." But Sa'id's longtime colleagues and friends sharply disagree, calling what they read in Kay's report "lies."

    "Sa'id is a good catch for David Kay because he is silent. He can't defend himself," said nuclear scientist Sabah Abdul Noor, a friend for 30 years.

    Those challenging the American's allegations include physicists known not to have supported Saddam Hussein's ousted Baath Party regime or its work in the 1980s on nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

    To read the full story…

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...a/iraq_death_of_a_scientist&cid=540&ncid=1478
     

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