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Washington could not tell a lie, but Kerry can

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  1. basso

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    "No wonder Thomas Jefferson himself said: 'Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism.' "--John Kerry , April 22

    "There are a number of quotes that we do not find in Thomas Jefferson's correspondence or other writings; in such cases, Jefferson should not be cited as the source. Among the most common of these spurious Jefferson quotes are: 'Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.' . . ."--Monticello Web site
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    Is it now vogue to bash Kerry in response to the egregious things Bush has done?

    The list of lies that Bush has told is much longer and has to do with substantive matters, not mistaken quotes.


    http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/146858.htm


    BTW, that site claims that you can find THOUSANDS of web sites that attribute that quote to Jefferson, so this would hardly qualify as a lie. A misattribution, yes, but not a lie.

    Why do you like to lie about Kerry so much?
     
  3. SamFisher

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    # "The proposition that [the people] are the best keeper fo their liberties is not true. They are the worst conceivable, they are no keepers at all. They can neither act, judge, think, or will." - John Adams, 1787

    # "We can have a democratic society or we can have great concentrated wealth in the hands of a few. We cannot have both." - Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

    # "There is nothing wrong with America that what's right with America can't fix." - Bill Clinton

    # "We believe in only the government we need, but we insist on all the government we need." - Mario Cuomo

    # "66% do not support the president; 34% think Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church." - Tina Fey

    # "It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority." (Benjamin Franklin)

    # "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin)

    # "Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error." - Thomas Jefferson

    # "If a nation expects to be both ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

    # "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither." - Thomas Jefferson

    # "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend." - Thomas Jefferson

    # "Peace and friendship with all mankind is our wisest policy, and I wish we may be permitted to pursue it." (Thomas Jefferson)

    # "War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses." (Thomas Jefferson)

    # "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." (This one is often attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but I've been unable to verify that in any source that deals with Jefferson. It is still a valid quote, though, regardless of who said it.)

    # "We believe that the reason for stability of political views and behavior is not that they are so deeply ingrained, but that the political orientations of most individuals are simply not challenged very frequently." - M. Kent Jennings & Richard G. Niemi, "Generations and Politics" (1981) p. 390

    # "Our task is not to fix blame for the past, but to fix the course for the future." - John F. Kennedy

    # "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." (James Madison)

    # "All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree." (James Madison)

    # "You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it." - Malcolm X

    # "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed - and hence clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken

    # "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill

    # "It is not a coincidence that the two fields most commonly accused of being liberal - journalism and academia - are two fields whose central purpose is the pursuit of truth." - Kenneth Quinnell

    # "Anyone who is not at least a little bit cynical is either one of the bad guys or totally ignorant and/or stupid, which is just as bad." - Kenneth Quinnell

    # "Did you ever notice that the people who most vociferously claim to be the patrotic and American are, in reality, the most un-American." - Kenneth Quinnell

    # "If the conservative agenda suceeds to any great degree, America will no longer be the greatest country in the world." - Kenneth Quinnell

    # "Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You didn't place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." - Jamie Raskin

    # "America is better when all of us take care of all of us." - Christopher Reeve

    # "So many of our dreams at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable." - Christopher Reeve

    # "America does not let its needy citizens fend for themselves." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    # "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt

    # "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Teddy Roosevelt

    # "All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship. There is the whole case against censorship in a nutshell." - George Bernard Shaw

    # "If you give the people a choice between a Republican and a Republican, they'll choose the Republican every time." - Harry Truman

    # "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

    # "If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter." (George Washington)

    http://quinnell.us/politics/quotes.html
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Kerry got a quote wrong!!!!????? I hate his stinking guts. What could possibly be worse. Lock him up. :D
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    Who gives a damn what John Kerry said?
     
  6. basso

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    sadly, i know (or knew) too many liberals who can't say the same thing.
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    If you were the conservative "friend," then I can hardly blame them.
     
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    Sam, thanks for finding my new sig.
     
  9. Oski2005

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    Oh my god, this is just pathetic. It is a mistake, one lots of people have made over the last 2 or 3 years, but it's not a lie. The story, as I understand it, is that Howard Zinn said it in an interview and somebody else mislabeled it a Thomas Jefferson quote.
     
  10. basso

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    exhibit 967
     
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    Actually in my experience liberals are probably more guilty of this than conservatives.

    I do know some liberals that will dislike someone for political leanings, while the a larger percentage of my conservative friends don't really let it bother them
     
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    Well, it's one thing to disagree and a whole other to accuse somebody of supporting terrorism and rooting for america to lose.
     
  13. basso

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    did i mention liberals are also humorless?
     
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    Kerry's an idiot
     
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    Hasn't Clutch repeatedly said not to stir the pot with political signatures?
     
  16. Oski2005

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    Ah, the "I was just making a joke" bit. Ok, you can play that card.

    Now excuse me while I go watch the completely unfunny reruns of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report.
     
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    This isn't stirring the pot, as I don't think many people debate over Theodore Roosevelt. Posting my opinions on Yao Ming with a quote from Teddy R. underneath it, shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

    Were you a big tattle tale in elementary school?
     
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    I have plenty of conservative friends. My mother and her husband are some of the biggest conservatives out there to the point that I could very nearly label her a dittohead. However, I actively tried to convince my stepfather to run for the 22nd Congressional nomination against DeLay and furthermore would have voted for him over Lampson in the general. This is because he thinks about his positions and doesn't feel the need to blindly follow ANY leader, especially when they are as destructive as Bush has been.

    I was never your friend in the first place, so I could not be your "exhibit," but anyone who is able to see reality knows that you are so hopelessly drunk on the Bush kool-aid that you are not even deserving of serious consideration in a political debate. There are thinking conservatives out there (I like thinking conservatives), but you are not one of them.
     
  19. No Worries

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    Bush is messianic.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    I wish I could quit you.
     

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