i dont know the answer but i came across this definition from the un and wanted to see ur opinions please support opinion with facts either way
Don't know about Genocide but I would say that was a major reason why the the initial Rockets were fired in the first place. Seriously, if Israel just take some of the military budget and throw into to a massive social program to improve the quality of life in the Gaza strip (i.e. buy the freaking good will), things would've gone a lot smoother.
israel is not a rich state in fact it has lots of poverty and a bad economy so i dont know if they can do that. its much eaasier to let the arabs help out the gazans with food and stuff but the blockade has to end first cause egypt wont go against israel they are too buddy buddy
^^ I think you are right, but also need to consider that Hamas has money and what do they spend it on. Part of the reason for blockades, from what I've read, is to try and stop the flow of money to Hamas, as Hamas turns around and spends it on its own military needs. The question is how to improve living conditions in Gaza without continuing to fund the radical extremists. Clearly, a better job needs to be done by both sides as far as this is concerned, but certainly living conditions can't improve if absolutely nothing can get through.
ok so how can israel fulfill its humanitarian conscious regarding gaza without empowering hamas? is it even possible to do that? hamas has moved from beinga terrorism org to an elected govt (in west bank too but abbas has control there now) so they are legitimate palestinian govt regardless of world opinion. who else can take their place? how else do we get resources in and isolate hamas? its logistics nightmare for aid organziations
don't know...hence the problems. The only real answer is for both sides to sit down, map out a peace plan, stick to it, etc., etc. But we all know that won't happen - at least it hasn't yet.
for that to happen israel has to take first step in recognizing hamas as legitimate govt of palestinians to sit down and talk with them. u can talk to abbas in west bank but u have to talk to hamas in gaza there is no fatah presence there and hamas is too strong to be replaced and still popular in palestine so no i dont think this will happen at all
What is more important to legitimate peace; Israel recognizing Hamas as a legitimate government, or Hamas recognizing Israel's right to exist?
It may be a stated goal of the organization and perhaps a genuine aspiration of some or many members of Hamas, but they are so far from being able to do so that there is a considerable credibility gap. Hamas has killed a handful of Israelis. Israel kills hundreds with a flinch and is successfully executing a crippling campaign of collective punishment on everyone in Gaza. Hamas wishes they could do a fraction of the damage Israel is currently inflicting. Hamas' genocide of Israelis' falls short of the definition on results. Israel, even if it is not trying for a genocide, is coming much closer.
No, But that is the only way that Israel can win the war, and they are not nor should they do that. DD
As I pointed out in another thread, the population of Gaza is currently growing year-over-year. That is the antithesis of genocide. If Israel is trying to commit genocide, they are doing a piss poor job of it.
Israel's right to exist -- where? Do you think Hamas will ever recognize that Israel has a right to land that it has confiscated from Palestinians? That will never happen. There will always be strong disagreement over whether the Jewish people had a right to unilaterally declare an explicitly Jewish state within Palestine. For the hundreds of thousands, I don't know maybe millions, of Palestinians who lost their home as a result of the formation of Israel, you can't just expect them to say after years of further bombings and thousands more killed "You know what? I guess Israel had a right to that land all along." Ask the Palestinians to agree not to launch unprovoked attacks against Israel, and vice versa. Having both sides recognize the other as "legitimate" would be the next step. But there are deep-seeded differences about whether the Jewish people have a right to their own country within Palestine that aren't going to go away in our lifetime. It would probably be political suicide for any representative of the Palestinian people to agree to it.
No Arab lost their homes until they decided go go to war in 1948 and kick all of the Jews off of land for which they were rightful and legal owners, having purchased if from the Turks who were the owners before. Fatah has, and they seem to be having a much better time of it in the West Bank. If Hamas' avowed goal is destruction of Israel so be it. But people shouldn't b**** and moan when Israel treats Hamas and all their people them the same way. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I agree. The blockade certainly caused a lot of misery but it was meant to enact a political change among the Palestinians not wipe the out.
The forums are ablaze with Palestinian vs. Israeli questions. Here's the answer: Both sides of the conflict are predominately composed of a whole bunch of stupid ****ing ****heads. I don't want to take either side. Both sides are wrong.
During the 1920's and 1930's many Arabs lost their homes as the British working with Zionists suppressed an Arab revolt brutally. In the lead up to the 1948 war many Arabs also lost their homes, and lives, including 100's massacred at the village of Deir Yassin by the Lehi Group and Irgun. To be fair though many Jews died during those times too as various groups fought over the future of the Palestinian territory but it isn't true that no Arab lost their home until the 1948 war. Many Arabs lost their homes.
Maybe its too fine a point, but lives were lost, not homes. Jews didn't kick arabs out of houses and farms and move themselves in. And btw, the war was already underway by Deir Yassin.
