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[WaPo Opinion] How to recover from President Biden’s Saudi Arabia failure

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/08/biden-saudi-arabia-opec-oil-production-cut/

    How to recover from President Biden’s Saudi Arabia failure
    By the Editorial Board
    October 8, 2022 at 7:00 a.m. EDT

    Wednesday’s decision by the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries and Russia — also known as OPEC Plus — to slash crude oil production by 2 million barrels per day is not quite as big of a shock as the embargo OPEC imposed on the United States between October 1973 and March 1974. It is nevertheless a setback for President Biden’s foreign policy and a blow to the United States and its allies on several fronts. The situation calls for a coolheaded short-term response followed by smart longer-term strategy.

    The political essence of the decision is a tilt by Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states in favor of Russia, which shares their interest in higher oil prices. The move will not only create economic risks for the United States and Europe but also make it more difficult for them to implement a planned price cap on Russian oil exports in December. All of that can only help Russia pursue its flagging war against Ukraine.

    There could be no more troubling evidence of how badly Mr. Biden’s efforts earlier this year to mend fences with the de facto Saudi ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, have failed. Not only has MBS, as he is known, refused to raise oil production, as Mr. Biden wanted. He appears to be doubling down on hostility toward the president, in retaliation for the latter’s — accurate — depiction of him as the author of Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi’s murder and other human rights violations that make Saudi Arabia worthy of “pariah” status. Announced just a month before a crucial midterm election in which Republicans are blaming Mr. Biden for high U.S. gas prices, the crown prince is effectively joining hands with Russian President Vladimir Putin to drive those prices, which had been falling, back up.

    It looks for all the world like an attempt by MBS to influence internal U.S. politics, to the advantage of the party of former president Donald Trump, who dealt warmly with him. Dictatorial and impetuous, MBS is also young — only 37 years old — and likely to dominate the kingdom for many years. Democratic members of Congress are calling for a reassessment of the long-standing strategic relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia in light of that reality, and they should be.

    The United States cannot yield to this kind of pressure. It should press ahead with the plan for a price cap on Russian oil, appropriately adjusted to account for the OPEC Plus production cut. At the same time, Congress and the Biden administration should avoid any action, in the heat of an election campaign, that might make matters worse.

    One probably counterproductive step would be restricting U.S. exports of petroleum products. Supporters argue that this would shield domestic customers from foreign competition, thus reducing upward price pressure. More likely, it would punish the Latin American and European countries that buy U.S. products while reducing incentives for U.S. refiners to expand production for everyone. The net impact could even be higher prices at the pump.

    Also unwise would be further releases from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which is already at its lowest levels since the mid-1980s. Legislation to lift the sovereign immunity of OPEC’s state-owned oil companies, subjecting them to U.S. price-fixing lawsuits — the so-called NOPEC bill — is worth considering but also fraught with potential unintended consequences, including retaliatory legal action against the United States and its businesses.

    Another reason to take a deep breath: The real-world impact of the OPEC Plus production cut might be less than the headline numbers suggest. Though a production cut of 2 million barrels per day is 2 percent of the global supply, OPEC Plus was already missing its daily quotas this year by as much as 3 million barrels, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    As the world’s second- and third-largest crude oil producers, Saudi Arabia and Russia have leverage — in the short run. Reducing that leverage and restoring U.S. freedom of action over the longer term mean taking advantage of our domestic supplies of fossil fuels and green energy, as the climate provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act will ensure. Legislation to facilitate the build out of transmission lines and other critical energy infrastructure is now doubly urgent. And Congress and states can do more to encourage conservation, including through increased fuel taxes, which several states have implemented in recent years but at which Congress still balks. Yes, fuel taxes raise per-gallon prices, but at least the ultimate destination of the money is the Highway Trust Fund, not Riyadh or Moscow.

    Ultimately, the 1973 oil embargo backfired on its authors because it shocked the United States and other industrialized countries to use energy much more efficiently. A smart response can turn the OPEC Plus production cut to the United States’ ultimate advantage as well.



     
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    It was a breath of fresh air while you were on sabbatical.
     
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    Saudis and opec make a fair point that the US is exporting their inflation with the dollar and an upcoming global recession will kill energy demand.

    Getting them to pump more is a financial misstep for them, but would be great for us for obvious reasons... Remove the Russia rhetoric, and the US is essentially asking for a Big Favor, but what can we do to make up for it?

    We're also on our knees begging for more after opening the gates to the strategic petroleum reserve for the entire summer. Experts were already saying that move had negligible effects on prices, but that was the only move the government could do to show that "they did something." Saudis could've lowered the amount then if they were openly hostile, but decided this moment gives them a better position of strength.

    WaPo doesn't state the obvious. If we want "energy independence", then we need to bolster domestic production and refinery capacity rather than offshore the dirty business and pretend we're hitting green targets. Both parties take steps to cripple each other's foundational energy bases, and we're now left with fragile systems at the whims of oil monopolies and international cartels that are more aligned with profit over what Americans want.
     
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    well, I find it difficult to stay away from Murdoch- owned corporate media
     
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    Trump called the Saudis for a solid, and the Saudis delivered.
     
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    Looks like this will get nasty (understatement)... Nopec, proposed troop reduction, and reduced arms bills in the works by Congress.

    Inflation and higher gas prices spell bloodbath for the incumbent party. I imagine some governors will try gas tax holidays that increase consumption and do nothing to spur an increase in supply.

    Americans have no concept of sacrifice. It's either Nao or find me a manager/politician for me to get it Nao later.

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Looks-To-Punish-Saudi-Arabia-For-Large-OPEC-Cut.html
     
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    Besides Oil
    Biden needs to beg the Saudis to watch that Velma show with no Scooby Doo
    @Salvy
    @ROXRAN
     
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    I agree with a lot of this and also Biden’s handling of the Saudis had been poor. That said I’m not sure there’s much he can do. MBS is someone with pretensions to authoritarianism and it was right to call him out for the murder of Khashoggi. We still are too dependent on oil and the Saudis control an out size amount of it.

    Just to note for those who argue that this is why need more domestic production it was the Saudis who pumped more oil and the Pandemic that made it less profitable for US domestic oil.

    I absolutely agree we nee to speed up building new energy infrastructure. A lot of the funding has been passed in the two infrastructure bills.
     
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    Refinery capacity isn’t quite that easy to ramp up. It takes a lot of investment and permitting to get a new refinery. Even if permits are cut, and given safety and environmental
    Issues not a good idea, it still take a lot of steel to build a new refinery and steel prices are still very high with long lead times.
     
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    We just passed a multi billion dollar CHIPS bill to "bring semis home". There's no way a Biden admin or democrat controlled house would do the same thing for fracking or keeping refinery capacity more even keeled, yet oil prices play a larger role in inflation than supply chain disruptions or real estate valuations.

    Americans want having their cake and eating it, but the bottom line has always been cheap affordable gas. It's unavoidable even as we suffocate and boil ourselves to death.

    And I'm not saying one side is more correct than the other. We have to tear down ideological walls and find common ground to our true bottom lines if we don't want to get played by foreign interests.
     
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    I don’t trust the administration
    It’s like Scooby Doo without Scooby Doo
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    This is how Saudis feel about Biden

     
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    I heard bowing to your foes in a submissive manner does miracles...

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    You're an idiot and I'm a fool to respond...but you're still an idiot. When you stop posting we'll have to assume you're dead. This schtick you do is beyond annoying...
     
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    WAPO really need to stop with the contrarian ****.

    How the hell is this a failure by Biden what did he fail at making the Saudis pump more oil?

    Who thinks he had the power to do anything differently?

    Is this about optics?
     
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    This op ed is sooooo stupid. It assumes Biden asked the Saudis to pump more oil. I [like USER=58397]@Os Trigonum[/USER] but he incorrectly stupidly Repubicanly talks about Biden making it harder for American companies to pump more oil in the inflation thread then posts this.

    Bottom line, we can produce more oil and the market dictates how much we produce
     
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63671947

    Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing
     

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