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Waller County: 'Illegal' Lane Change leads to Death

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Jul 17, 2015.

  1. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
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    Literally the only thing he did wrong was not explaining to the crazy woman why he was ordering her out of her car. That was an oversight, but a minor one.

    The crazy woman was basically a perfect example of how to end up in jail when pulled over.
     
  2. edwardc

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    Man your view of things are way different from some many others on this board .
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    Very true, I'm hoping that one day you guys see the light.
     
  4. Amiga

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    He escalate when he start to yell, threat and yank.

    Her response to his question of "you ok" has no hostility to it. If you view that response as completely unwarranted hostility, you need to recheck how you take in and interpret information. You got a serious issue with sensitivity.

    Even if she was throwing verbal daggers at the cop, it doesn't excuse the cop actions of losing his cool and unnecessary escalating the situation.

    Concerning the "minor breach of policy", did you just make that stuff up? The preliminary report said he violated traffic stop & courtesy protocols with no details on what exactly he violated. A full report AFAIK hasn't been released so no one know yet how minor or serious he violated protocols.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    So your argument is that he escalated things once she refused to comply with a lawful order? By then, she was already getting arrested.
     
  6. Amiga

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    It was before that. You might want to read up on other Cop's opinion. They don't see this cop's action as the proper or right thing to do and his boss agree to that as well. There is the legal thing to do and the policing thing to do. You can continue to have your view and excuses. See ya.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Watch the video, the cop didn't start to yell until the woman refused to get out of the car...by that point, she was already going to jail.
     
  8. edwardc

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    Once again what was his reason for wanting to get her out of the car he didn't have one give her the ticket and be on his way have they stated why he wanted her out of the car.
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Dude you are the only one who is coming across as crazy and mentally ill here if you think that cop wasn't being vindictive. Being rude to a cop isn't a reason to get treated like a criminal.
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    The cop was not a model example of how to behave when dealing with someone who is understandably annoyed.
     
  11. Rocket River

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    According to some

    A Cop can provoke you . . .escalate the situation . . . but it is up to you to be the 'better' person . . .take the abuse . .. . Suck the cop's dick . . . and cry in your beer later

    because well . .cops jobs aren't easy

    Rocket River
    neither is ditch digging . . . .
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    The SCOTUS has ruled that cops have an inherent reason to ask people out of their cars during a traffic stop.

    She wasn't treated like a criminal because she was rude, she was treated like a criminal because she was committing a crime by failing to comply with a lawful order.

    I'm sure there was a bit of "Oh you want to play games? Then let's play games" to the situation....but anyone who values their freedom shouldn't be playing childish games with police in the first place.

    She didn't value her freedom, so she lost it. Then she took her life because no one cared enough about her to bail her out of jail.
     
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    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/asnLQ8Ekwqg?rel=0&amp;showinfo=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    This happened yesterday, cop is now on leave. The driver didn't scream and yell nor suck any dicks.
     
  14. val_modus

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    Wrong. Watch the video. The cop was not a model example of how to treat a citizen you pull over for a traffic violation that you incited when tailing her, suggesting she move over.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    LOL, now you're trying to blame the cop for the woman failing to signal when changing lanes? That's just hilarious.
     
  16. Another Brother

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    Cops are supposed to Serve and Protect. Bottom line. Credo. Far too often they only serve the protected, but that's another conversation.

    This cop was not an extreme example of police misconduct but he was certainly outside the lines of proper traffic stop procedure. He got annoyed that she wouldn't put out her cigarette and he resorted to bully tactics to accommodate his insecurities. Police officers are not parents, they are public servants who enforce the penal code by way of proper police procedure. His actions were improper, no matter what her mental state. Sandra was not his child, she was a woman who changed lanes improperly and dared to challenge the petty demand of an authority figure who would be better suited for 9th grade security than a member of our TCLEOSE family.
     
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    Some of you are so biased by your "us versus them" mentality. Black vs. white, police vs. anti-police, republican vs. democrat, etc.

    Upon watching that video, all I could think about what what an idiot moron that woman was to get so aggressive with a cop. He was going to write her a warning until she started showing disrespect and acting the fool. Nobody can deny that the whole situation could have been avoided had she simply shown respect. Instead, she pushed the cops buttons unnecessarily.

    But many of you are misguided. If she was taken to jail and then released later, this wouldn't have been a story. She committed suicide in her cell, and had discussed suicide before. So all of you are complaining about the cop, but really that's only a piece of this story. She killed herself. The cop didn't kill her.
     
  18. Another Brother

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    What made her an "idiot" bro? Everything escalated from the cigarette. He had every right to ask her to put it out but when she didn't why would he ask her to get out of the car if his true intent was to give her a warning? I am biased in my "right vs wrong" mentality. I know what it takes to do that job but some of you guys are so hell bent on defending the bully in this situation you ignore the pebble that started the avalanche.

    The bully is rarely sensitive to the plight of the inferior.
     
  19. tenguin

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    I find it rather funny how being respectful is "sucking a cops dick." If you can't even see the cop being nice before she wouldn't put the cigarette out, than you are just out for the cop. Some people just hate police.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    This is one of the biggest things that has bothered me about these type of incidents. While I agree that LE has a very difficult job and they should be accorded respect too many though see that as being that we should be submissive to their authority. Too many seem to consider that the natural consequence of not showing submission and complete deference to LE is arrest or much worst. That is what is expected of police in authoritarian states and in the Third World. That should be what we expect of here in the US.

    To Serve and Protect is meaningless when we are told we should fear LE rather than see them as a necessary part of our society but no deserving any greater respect and scrutiny than other parts of our society.
     

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