HERE IS A INTERESTING QUESTION FOR THE BOARD: Without Francis we were something like 2-17. But, what would the outcome been if Cuttino was out for those 17 games, but we had Francis? Oscar was red hot in the starting SG spot, so who thinks we would of won more games?
FWIW, it's not a good comparison because Cat played hurt during the losing streak and was ineffective a large percentage of the time. He should have gone on the injured list instead of hobbling around.
EXACTLY! And to everybody else: quit Cat bashing, or name 10 shooting guards out of the entire NBA that are better. I want stats to back up those opinions, or else you're just talking idle trash. But I already know that, so there's really no sense in replying to this post, other than to admit the fact that CUTTINO IS THE MAN!
Frankly I think we win a lot more than 2, and that has little to do with Mobley. I look at it two ways and each one comes up in favor of Steve and Oscar. First.... Steve > Mobley by a small margin; Torres > Moochie, I'm basing this on the numbers Torres put up when he's been given starter minutes. Second by position..... Steve is a large upgrade over Moochie; and Mobley is a good upgrade over Torres but the disparity between Steve and Moochie outweighs that of Torres and Mobley.
Cats criticism is not over if he is bad talent, or a horrible shooting guard, but his decision making ability is highly questionable. Franky I think Cat could be a top talent if he could set aside his personal agenda of proving he belongs in the league, and play to win games by not only creating his own shots, but taking advantage of colapsing defenses and getting his teammate involved. Otherwise, Cat will never be the player that can carry a team, and will always be the one-dimensional player opponents thrive on.
I'm voting for two, but only because the option of zero is not on the list. Cat is averaging about the same amount scoring as Steve, even though he had to play about 17 games without his backcourt partner. It has been stated many times that our problems without Steve were that defenses collapsed on Cat down the stretch. If Cat can score against these collapsing defenses to the tune of 20+ points per game, then I think that is evidence enough that he is the best scorer on the team. Not to mention that a good portion of this eason saw Cat hobbled by ankle injuries. The Rockets without Cuttino are 0-4. I am just glad that we did not have a larger sample size. Cat for MVP of the ROX this year!
first. i thought we were 2-19? second, it's not possible to be 6-17 in nineteen games but i'll post a reply anyway. if cuttino mobley was out of 21 games like steve, then we would go 5-16, based on his current play and francis' current play (2-10 shooting last night, come on). however, in a situation where francis is healthy and playing well and cuttino is being his regular self, we would be around .500. currino is vital to our team. i have no clue why some people out there don't like him.
In case anyone did not notice, three of those games Cuttino did not play, Franchise did not play either. And the one game Steve played without Cat, the Rocks lost by four to the Spurs. Cat reminds me of this guy Carmicheal in HS. Our coach was sheit, and this guy Carmichael would take 25-30 shots a night and score 25 points. He was a ballhog, and we knew once the ball got into his hands, it was getting jacked up. The guy could care less about winning, along as he was top 3 in the confence in scoring, beleiving he would get a scholarship. Well he didnt. Moral to the story, anyone can jack up 30 shots a night, and any decent shooter can grab some garabage points, especially on a team where the leader is his best friend, and the coach allows this freelance basketball. Call me a Cuttino basher, but I just see a stat hound, and not a winner.
Except Cuttino Mobley, who hasn't shot over 30 shots once this season. I know a good Optometrist. . . .
You said anyone can jack up 30 shots a night. Cuttino Mobley hasn't shot 30 shots in a game once this year. So, yes, I am right, and yes, you are wrong.
Slobber over Mobleys nad sacks all you want. How many years in a row of lottery picks will it take for change? Let hears the excuses roll in since you can't undertand the basic moral to the story. Have you ever played organized basketball by the way?
Are you ever going to respond to my points? Or shall we simply trade childish insults? The moral of your story is flawed, as you do not have an insight into Mobley's mindset as you did into your high school teammate's mindset. Simply shooting a lot is not indicative of a "stat hog". Thats merely a position you attribute to him, w/o any proof of the matter.
You made zero points becuase you don't understand the negative consquences of a player that has a horrid shot selection. Youve been playing to much nintendo, and have zero insight into what the guys on the court think, vs that of a couch potato. Why should Kenny post up when Mobley has the ball? Why should anyone move without the ball once it gets into the Cuttinos hands? There zero incentive. Do you get it??
Just to play devil's advocate, do you recall Cuttino scoring 8 oints in like the last 2 minutes against Orlando, when the game was already in hand? He did that against the Bulls last year. I think he definitely wants to win, but stats are probably important to him. Also, I know he and Steve are close (the irony), but do you think he is at least a little irked when Steve is shown on espn even though Cuttino may have had a better game?
I see we're going to trade childish insults . . . First, Mobley's shot selection isn't great, but its not horrid, as you put it. In fact, numerous times he is forced to take a poor shot because Moochie has wasted the majority of the shot-clock. So you're wrong there. Oh, when was the last time Kenny posted up? He scores by taking his man facing the basket, thats his offensive game. Not posting up. Also, Cuttino mobley is one of the better player on the team at drawing double teams, and passing off once he gets into them - there's your incentive. He'll draw the double team, you can flash to the basket for an easy bucket.
Yes Mochie wastes time I agree. But there are many times Cat brings the balll up court, stands behin the three, and throws up a three. Or Cat draws the double, and does not pass whle attempting to shot over two defenders. Or as everyone remembers, The Utah game where he fires up a fade away three pointer. And if you read some of my other posts (not sure if it was in this thread) I stated Cuttino could be top player if he could learn to pass when he draws the double, becuase the probbality of him passing is low. Teams rely on Cat taking the low percentage shot. A defenders best friend is a gunner who takes low percentage shots. If Cat can learn to consistantly pass on the double team, drive and dish, and care less about stats, this team will become immediately better
