W in collusion with Al-Qaida to attack Iran? W and in collusion with Al-Qaida to attack Iran? You either with us or against. Al-Qaida now appears to be with us. Documents: Al-Qaida Sought U.S.-Iran War Jun 15, 11:04 AM (ET) By SAMEER N. YACOUB BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A blueprint for trying to start a war between the United States and Iran was among a "huge treasure" of documents found in the hideout of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Iraqi officials said Thursday. The document, purporting to reflect al-Qaida policy and its cooperation with groups loyal to ousted President Saddam Hussein, also appear to show that the insurgency in Iraq was weakening. The al-Qaida in Iraq document was translated and released by Iraqi National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie. There was no way to independently confirm the authenticity of the information attributed to al-Qaida. Although the office of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said the document was found in al-Zarqawi's hideout following a June 7 airstrike that killed him, U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said the document had in fact been found in a previous raid as part of an ongoing three-week operation to track al-Zarqawi. "We can verify that this information did come off some kind of computer asset that was at a safe location," he said. "This was prior to the al-Zarqawi safe house." The document also said al-Zarqawi planned to try to destroy the relationship between the United States and its Shiite allies in Iraq. While the coalition was continuing to suffer human losses, "time is now beginning to be of service to the American forces and harmful to the resistance," the document said. The document said the insurgency was being hurt by, among other things, the U.S. military's program to train Iraqi security forces, by massive arrests and seizures of weapons, by tightening the militants' financial outlets, and by creating divisions within its ranks. "Generally speaking and despite the gloomy present situation, we find that the best solution in order to get out of this crisis is to involve the U.S. forces in waging a war against another country or any hostile groups," the document said, as quoted by al-Maliki's office. According to the summary, insurgents were being weakened by operations against them and by their failure to attract recruits. To give new impetus to the insurgency, they would have to change tactics, it added. "We mean specifically attempting to escalate the tension between America and Iran, and American and the Shiite in Iraq," it quoted the documents as saying, especially among moderate followers of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the most influential Shiite cleric in Iraq. "Creating disputes between America and them could hinder the U.S. cooperation with them, and subsequently weaken this kind of alliance between Shiites and the Americans," it said, adding that "the best solution is to get America involved in a war against another country and this would bring benefits." They included "opening a new front" for the U.S. military and releasing some of the "pressure exerted on the resistance." It pointed to clashes in 2004 between U.S. forces and followers of radical anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army militia as evidence of the benefits of such a strategy. Al-Sadr and his growing followers are among the fiercest advocates of a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. It said the "results obtained during the struggle between U.S. army and al-Mahdi army is an example of the benefits to be gained by such struggle." Al-Maliki's office said the document provides "the broad guidelines of the program of the Saddamists and the takfiris inside al-Zarqawi's group." "Takfiri" is a reference to an extremist ideology that urges Muslims to kill anyone they consider an infidel, even fellow Muslims. It is the ideology that many Iraqis, especially in the Shiite community, use to describe al-Zarqawi and his followers. The language contained in the document was different from the vocabulary used by al-Qaida statements posted on the Web. For example, it does not refer to the Americans as "Crusaders" nor use the term "rejectionists" to allude to Shiites. Much of what is in the statement from al-Rubaie echoes results that the U.S. military and the Iraqi government say they are seeking. It also appears to reinforce American and Iraqi arguments that al-Qaida in Iraq and its operatives are a group of imported extremists bent on killing innocent civilians. Al-Qaida in Iraq has been blamed for thousands of deaths, hundreds of bombings, kidnappings and assassinations in the past three years. Al-Qaida in Iraq's own hatred of the Shiites is well-documented and al-Zarqawi has repeatedly called on Sunnis to rise up and kill them.
Deceptive thread title.... Despite the saber rattling, the US hasn't shown willingness to attack Iran anytime soon. It's great news that the insurgency appears to have died down a little, and also the intel recovered from AZ's building.
What does this have to do with Bush? They don't mention his name at all in the article. The thread title is misleading.
The whole thing with Al Qaida is just a big misunderstanding. We'll have to join forces again with Bin Laden, like we did against the Soviets, and go after those evil Iranians.
W is so going to bomb Iran leading into the midterm election. One can easily see the WH's escalating its anti-Iran rhetoric. The article does not mention W but W has put Iran and its nukulur issue to the forefront of news.
The same point has also been brought up by me in another thread: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=113657
Are you questioning my proofreading skills? And yes Wand's Al-Qaida connections are a reason for concern albeit not as much of a concern as his blocking skilllz.
I don't disagree with that but it is still a huge leap to connect the two. I guess I just hate it when the "other side" makes ridiculous thread titles and I don't want to see "our side" stoop to that level. I'd rather debate it in a civilized way than be like that. I'm like Chris Rock though, "I'm not saying he(you) should have done it, but I understand!"
No Worries, give me a f'ing break. How you liberals manage to spin even the BEST of news into some kind of Bush-bashing title is just pathetic. You let your selfish political motivations get in the way of simple comprehension. Did you not read that the insurgency was WEAKENING and they are going through a CRISIS? Did you not read that the Iraqi troops were STRENGTHENING and successfully weakening the insurgency? You liberals are a joke. It truly PAINS you to see good news coming out of Iraq.
Yeah, the news is so good that Bush had to secretly fly to Baghdad to meet Iraqi PM, the supposed leader of his country, who was not trusted enough to be notified in advance that he was about to see face to face the man who has brought the enormous suffering to the Iraqi people. The joke is on the likes of you, bigtexxx.
Seriously, the document says that supposedly A-Q wants to make a mess between the US and Iran and your title speaks of Collusion with Bush? I know governments do bad things all the time but this is extreme and not at all supported or hinted at by the documents. bigtexxx is justified to initiate his usual attacks in this thread.
Another great example to bolster my viewpoint. Bush made an incredibly brave trip to a warzone and you turn it into having to secretly fly somewhere. Pathetic. Some of you are so out of touch with reality that it's disgusting.
Wow, it sounds like aq in Iraq is getting kind of desperate. And that was before AZ was killed. Lot's of good news in this article. Thanks for posting it, No Worries.
Iraq is a war zone? What a shock! Are you finally distancing yourself from your right wing ideological buddies such as Rush Limbaugh, FrontPage Mag, and NewsMax, who claimed as recently as on June 1, 2006, that Iraq is safer than Washington D.C.? Welcome to reality-based thinking, bigtexxx. When you've made great stride towards being more independent, you will be embraced by the libpigs.
Lead into 2002 midterm elections gave us Saddam will have the bomb by Xmas Iraq has tons of WMD and itching to use it Iraq threat is building Saddam and OBL were in collusion (my inspiration for the title) War will pay for itself ad nauseum This isn't a small lie here and there. This is an effing tidal wave of boldface lying. Hopefully the electorate would be buying it this time around. But that may not stop Rove et al giving the US a war with Iran for the country to rally around.
I wasn't at all surprised that Bush flew into Baghdad secretly, even from the Iraqi PM. In the first place, he'd be even more of a fool than he clearly is if it hadn't been secret. I'm glad it was secret. That made it safer, and I don't want George getting too nervous about anything. No telling what he might do. Another point is that we basically control the country, save for the insurgency, so not telling the PM that Bush was coming must have seemed natural enough. Can you imagine the planning session? "Hey, should we tell anyone in this Iraqi "government" that the President is coming? It's supposed to be a real government, so shouldn't we tell them?" "Man, are you nuts?? You can't trust any of those people. No way! Tell the PM 5 minutes before the President sees him. That's adequate." "Uh, OK." I hope the info is on the level concerning any possible progress in Iraq. I'm not optimistic, except for this... I do think we should have hit al-Q pretty hard. My take is that we knew of several safe houses and people that we left alone, so as not to queer the pitch tracking down Zarquari. As soon as we knew we had him, those places and people would have been hit, immediately. It's a logical thing to do, and I have faith in our military leadership, in the main, not the political leaderhip we currently have. I'm sure we were ready to go, and hit them hard. Hard enough to really do a lot of good? Let's hope so. Keep D&D Civil.
Some experts already think that Al Qaeda wanted us to attack IRAQ as Bin Laden hated Sadam since he was too secular and kept them out of Iraq. these experts think that Bush has fallen into Bin Laden's trap to weaken us, by tying us down with wars all over the globe simulatneouslly. A war between us and Iran would clearly do that. The report cited for the propositon that the insurgency is weakening is possible, but supsect. First, documents allegedly found that the British guy, Galloway, was a paid traitor for Sadam. If I recall Galloway won a libel case against the paper that claimed that. Second, we have a long history of unreliable information from Iraqis on our side that later turns out to be fraudlulent or even planted disinfo by our governmente. Remember Chalabi and the others? Third, "no way to independently confirm.." sounds suspicious to me Time will tell, but it should be watched closely.
Zarqawi must have been pretty pissed that W killed him after all that time they spent colluding and braiding each others' hair.
