this story has been out there for several weeks- no doubt this kind of stuff is going on elsewhere as well. [rquoter]Citizens' Group Helps Uncover Alleged Rampant Voter Fraud in Houston By Ed Barnes Published September 25, 2010 | FoxNews.com When Catherine Engelbrecht and her friends sat down and started talking politics several years ago, they soon agreed that talking wasn’t enough. They wanted to do more. So when the 2008 election came around, “about 50” of her friends volunteered to work at Houston’s polling places. “What we saw shocked us,” she said. “There was no one checking IDs, judges would vote for people that asked for help. It was fraud, and we watched like deer in the headlights.” Their shared experience, she says, created “True the Vote,” a citizen-based grassroots organization that began collecting publicly available voting data to prove that what they saw in their day at the polls was, indeed, happening -- and that it was happening everywhere. “It was a true Tea Party moment,” she remembers. Like most voter watchdog groups, she said, her group started small. They decided to investigate voting fraud in general, not just at the polling places, and at first they weren't even sure what to look for -- and where to look for it. “The first thing we started to do was look at houses with more than six voters in them" Engelbrecht said, because those houses were the most likely to have fraudulent registrations attached to them. "Most voting districts had 1,800 if they were Republican and 2,400 of these houses if they were Democratic . . . "But we came across one with 24,000, and that was where we started looking." It was Houston's poorest and predominantly black district, which has led some to accuse the group of targeting poor black areas. But Engelbrecht rejects that, saying, "It had nothing to do with politics. It was just the numbers.” The task was overwhelming. With 1.9 million voters and 886 voting precincts, Houston’s Harris County is the second largest county in the country -- and the key to Texas elections. The group called for help and quickly got 30 donated computers and “tens of thousands of hours” of volunteer work. And then the questions started to arise. “Vacant lots had several voters registered on them. An eight-bed halfway house had more than 40 voters registered at its address,” Engelbrecht said. “We then decided to look at who was registering the voters." Their work paid off. Two weeks ago the Harris County voter registrar took their work and the findings of his own investigation and handed them over to both the Texas secretary of state’s office and the Harris County district attorney. Most of the findings focused on a group called Houston Votes, a voter registration group headed by Steve Caddle, who also works for the Service Employees International Union. Among the findings were that only 1,793 of the 25,000 registrations the group submitted appeared to be valid. The other registrations included one of a woman who registered six times in the same day; registrations of non-citizens; so many applications from one Houston Voters collector in one day that it was deemed to be beyond human capability; and 1,597 registrations that named the same person multiple times, often with different signatures. Caddle told local newspapers that there “had been mistakes made,” and he said he had fired 30 workers for filing defective voter registration applications. He could not be reached for this article. “The integrity of the voting rolls in Harris County, Texas, appears to be under an organized and systematic attack by the group operating under the name Houston Votes,” the Harris voter registrar, Leo Vasquez, charged as he passed on the documentation to the district attorney. A spokesman for the DA's office declined to discuss the case. And a spokesman for Vasquez said that the DA has asked them to refrain from commenting on the case. The outcome of the efforts grew in importance the day after Vasquez made his announcement. On the morning of Aug. 27, a three-alarm fire destroyed almost all of Harris County’s voting machines, throwing the upcoming Nov. 2 election into turmoil. While the cause wasn’t determined, the $40 million blaze, according to press reports, means election officials will be focused on creating a whole new voting system in six weeks. Just how they do it will determine how vulnerable the process becomes.[/rquoter]
Voter registration fraud is a real problem, but I would suggest it's much smaller than actual voting fraud. It should be pretty easy to see how many of these fake voters actually voted - that would be the most interesting data to me. If they just register but don't vote (ie, the ACORN fraud stuff), at least they aren't affecting elections. If the fake people are actually voting, we've got a much bigger problem at hand.
I can agree with this. In addition a story that will not be channelled to poor Basso, and the clones is it should be noted that the much much bigger issue in terms of numbers of voters and potential voters is: systematic steps to prevent validly registered voters from voting by intimidation; having elections during working hours not weekends so that ordinary employees will find it difficult to vote; frantic attempts by the GOP to resist making it easy to register legally, such as motor vehicle offices, the Bush Admininstration not allowing veterans to register while at VA hospitals, though clearly permitted by statue; allowing GOP voter groups to send out millions of pamphlets to knolwn legally registered voters in poor, usually minority neighborhoods with seldom a repercussion etc.
Well, you're in luck my friend. After eight years and millions of dollars worth of highly motivated investigation from the DOJ from 2000-2008, no major voting fraud cases were ever unearthed and not a single nonexistent person has ever been found to have voted. Probably because nonexistent people have the big handicap of not actually existing. This is a great deterrent towards the commission of crimes. We should remain vigilant however. Existence can be overcome.
Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to vote? Seriously. What if elections were done at random, in a truly democratic manner? Voting for candidates isn't really as democratic as selecting representatives as a sampling of the population, anyway. Something like this could do away with issues ranging from the partisan nature of elections, to money's influence in politics, to voter fraud. What do you all think?
As has been pointed out, voter registration fraud (often done by people being paid by the signature, looking for the easy way out) does not equal actual voting fraud. So the random mouth-breather next door (just as easily bought off/corruptible) is better equipped to hold public office than people who actually want to be public servants? Diana Moon Glompers & her shotgun as a model of good government? Uh, I hope you're high?
1. Voting is a civic duty, one that you owe your country and your fellow citizens... and given our national status, you probably owe a bit to the rest of the people on the globe to participate in our government. If you can't pull yourself away from satellite TV, video games, and Internet p*rn to do it once every two years, then you deserve what you get. 2. Who would administer the process you're proposing? It would be rigged within two minutes.
