If you have to resign one of the two, who will you pick? I wish they would both stay but money wise it's kinda impossible, but in Morey we trust.
Let's see: One of these guys can score and defend and is a proven NBA commodity. The other just burst on the scene this year, ball hogs too much at times and whined about playing time in the playoffs. I would like to have both back, but if forced to choose Artest easily is my choice to re-sign.
How much would they fetch? I assume Von gets 2-3 million, Ron gets 8-10 million. In that price range, I think Ron should be the priority. Sign him, or trade him.
Hmmm, A leader that can defend, rebound, score or a scorer that argues with his coach during a critical playoff game. Sorry Von, Ron is here to stay.
Depends on the salary. If Won wants anything more than 3.5 he can leave. If Ron wants anything more than 8.5 Million he can leave. That being said, I would take Ron on this team over Von Wafer anyday. Ron does it on both ends, Von does it on one end. Not to mention the intangibles Ron brings in.
Give me the efficient up and comer that can score the ball, played AWESOME as a starter and is faster than most PGs, over the overated tough guy who can't shoot to save his life, but continues to chuck it like he can. Then you can factor in the cost...one guy will be around $2 million for nearly identical production as the guy who is going to cost nearly $10 million. Sorry, I go with Von, every day of the year, and let the future Bonzi Wells walk in a sign and trade. DD
Ding ding, we have a winner. Artest was getting lit up by both Roy and Kobe. His defense will only get worse as he gets older and unfortunately it does not seem like he will get any smarter as a veteran. If they were in the same price range it would be a no brainer with Ron 8 days a week, however the difference in salaries changes things.
I want them both, but if I had to pick I would go with Ron. Ron is prove, he added toughness to this team that has been missing a long time. He was brought here to be the 3rd guy but that changed because of injuries to McGrady and then Yao went down in the playoffs. He's still a good defender even though a lot of people on this board is trying to now make it seem like he can't defend at all.
He is significantly slower and less athletic than he was even 2 years ago, his skills are declining and he is not a cerebral player that will make the adjustments necessary... IMO. DD
Rick Adelman pulls Von for a reason, it is because he is a bit of an idiot. He has a looooong way to go to contribute to winning. Scoring is not everything...
One has little to do with the other. We're already over the cap. If we sign one, it won't have any effect on our ability to sign the other. We can pay Ron whatever we want. For Wafer, I think we may only be able to offer the league minimum (or 120% of the league minimum) if we don't want to use part of the MLE on him (which I don't think we will). Personally, I don't think Wafer is going to demand a lot and he should be thankful for the opportunity to play for a team more than one season.
One thing that people stopped talking about is the fact that Artest had ankle problems. That could be the reason why he was slower. Maybe surgery will correct that, I don't know how serious the ankle problem was. But until he comes into training camp overweight I will never compare him to Bonzi.
how about neither. Artest jacks up shots and we already have that in McGrady. and Von is just a knucklehead who had one good season and thinks he is bigger than the coach. They both should find a new team. But if I really had to pick one I'll take Artest. He at least plays defense.
His skills are declining? What the hell? LOL. How so? All defense>40% from 3>Heart>toughness>tenacity>intimidation. He has NEVER relied on his athleticism. Never, ever, EVER. I must ask if you have watched Ron play throughout his career? His skills have improved VASTLY. As hard as he works EVERYDAY? Bullcrap, awful, trash. This is not a lazy piece of crap, this guy is arguably the hardest worker on the team. He is a VERY smart player on the court, and he blows the roof compared to Vons basketball IQ.
Maybe you will call me an idiot, but I kinda agree with DaDakota on Ron. He is way overrated, on both ends on the floor. He doesn't really play that great D, he is not quick at all, you can't allow to live and die on his jumper because you are gonna die, and his shot selection is horrible. Ron is what he is. We all know he is not gonna change. If we resign him, he will continue to jack up bad shots next season. That's who he is. And he wants too much money, he is not worth it.
What? Yes he is tough, no he is not as fast or as quick as he used to be, the guy was getting BLOWN by with ease by Kobe and Roy...did that happen to Shane? Nope. Also, if he has such a High IQ, then why is he such a blithering IDIOT on the offensive side of the ball? He THINKS he is better than he is...but the guy is just not that efficient. He shoots nearly as bad as Rafer Alston and I am not inclined to give a low efficiency player like Ron a big contract. Love his toughness, but there is a REASON that there will not be a big market for the guy this offseason, because unlike fans here on the BBS the GM's will treat him like an asset and seriously look at what he brings on the positive vs the negative and the price it would cost to bring him in. I side with them. DD
Oh come on, I was clearly exageratting and talking about the decline in their games and how they thought they were better than they really were. Artest is miles better than Bonzi......but he is on the decline. DD
