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Violent video games disrupt the functions of the brain

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/19/o...&en=36374b387e9a6d08&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVER

    December 19, 2002

    Video Games: Danger Ahead

    To the Editor:

    Verlyn Klinkenborg asks, "What are you getting good at?" when you spend hundreds of hours playing video games (Editorial Observer, Dec. 16). Research is making one answer clear: killing.

    New findings from the University of Indiana Medical School show that violent video games disrupt the functions of the frontal lobe, desensitizing the brain and making habitual players less able to understand the effects of actual violence. The brain changes are most apparent among heavy users.

    We know, moreover, that the military has effectively used computer simulations for many years to desensitize soldiers and make them able to kill, overriding their natural human aversion to extreme violence. This same technology is now our fastest growing form of children's entertainment.

    This is not a First Amendment issue. It is child abuse, pure and simple. The marketers of these games, and the parents who buy them, should be held accountable.
    EDWARD MILLER
    Wellfleet, Mass., Dec. 16, 2002
    The writer is a former editor of the Harvard Education Letter.
     
  2. Nomar

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    So because I play HALO, I'm going to kill people?


    BTW if anybody wants to play over Gamespy, were harris1

    and also Nomah I guess.
     
  3. Oski2005

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    I've played violent video games since Wolfenstein and I still feel as about uncomfortable around real guns as Trent Lott would feel at Morehouse. :D "Ha ha ha, I made a funny" -Splinter.
     
  4. mateo

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    Fantastic...my second child will be bred to be the ultimate killing machine, providing security for my family. Now I dont have to install the cobra pit in my foyer.
     
  5. Falcons Talon

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    ...and Jackass causes kids to kill themselves, and music makes people satanic...it's always someone else's fault....:rolleyes:
     
  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    No, HALO only trains you to kill Covenant and the flood, GTA trains you to kill people.
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    Mateo, LOl! :)

    Everyone else, I'm not a proponent of controlling video games. But, I have to wonder about everyone who are so quick to jump on, find fault with, and criticize any piece of news that might remotely suggest that violent video games might -- in some way -- not be the best or healthiest thing for someone. This particular one was a bit inflammatory so I'm not too surprised. But, the zeal with which you defend the games makes me wonder if you are considering the merits of the controversy at all. If it were really true and well-proven that violent video games made people who otherwise would not be violent violent, would you still defend them? I think you would.
     
  8. Falcons Talon

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    Well, if there is a correlation, I'm curious to see how many Donkey Kong'ers are climbing ladders, jumping barrels, and saving damsels in distress, or pac manners eating pellets in mazes, or Missile commanders running missile defense bases, or Centipeders who have become exterminators...you get the idea.
     
  9. NYKRule

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    If drinking water made you die would you drink it?
     
  10. Falcons Talon

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    If my Aunt had balls, would she be my uncle?
     
  11. Major

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    But, I have to wonder about everyone who are so quick to jump on, find fault with, and criticize any piece of news that might remotely suggest that violent video games might -- in some way -- not be the best or healthiest thing for someone.

    Because people don't like to hear that something they enjoy might have negative consequences.

    Playing video games for fun here and there is not going to affect most people, but I don't see any reason why it couldn't or wouldn't affect people who spend 7-8 hours a day playing them and live in the world of video games. I know firsthand that our games have had an effect on how people live their lives - I don't see why other games wouldn't have their own effects in different ways.
     
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    I'm going to make a video game where the main character is a guy, and the main objective is to have sex with as many other guys as possible, turning our nation's youth into a bunch of flaming homosexuals
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    I get the idea, but you are straw-manning the opposition's argument -- which is exactly what I'm getting at. I'm actually not trying to say their argument even has merit. I'm saying that video game defenders are too quick to argue and, I'll add, often use specious argumentation and logical fallacies in the defense. I think this is a good example, where -- instead of taking a good hard look at the argument they present (that a change of brain patterns has been detected among heavy users) -- you liken it to something obviously ridiculous, saying they're argument is the same, and transfering the ridiculousness of the comparison to the argument you are attacking. It is a straw-man to say that, according to their argument, a person who plays Donkey-Kong is more likely to climb ladders. Their argument doesn't even address a person's desire to engage in a particular activity; they are saying it erases an aversion. You could at least say that the theory would suggest Donkey Kong players had less of an aversion to jumping over barrels -- even though that wouldn't be true either.
     
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    I'm not directly defending video gaming. I'm tired of the lack of responsibility individuals take for their actions. I'm tired of people looking to blame somebody else for the choices they make.

    If a person is going to sit behind a tv and play games for 7 or 8 hours a day, do you think it is a game that's messing this person up, or is there already a screw loose?

    Almost everything is excess is bad for you. You have kids that eat WAY too much sugar or fat...do you blame the food company's for making food like that?

    If you have someone watch Bambi over and over, and they are traumatized by the killing of Bambi's mother, can you blame the movie when said kid goes out and kills deer hunters?
     
  15. Falcons Talon

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    Many things the masses enjoy have negative consequences.

    You are responsible for the decisions you choose to make. No one can control your mind. Don't blame something else for a choice somebody makes...or I could blame everything bad I do on the devil, because we all know the devil made me do it.
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    As a maker of video games, and someone who is very close to the situation, I agree that video games are not good for kids.

    The problem is that any 12 year old can go into their local games store and buy a mature title.

    That is wrong....we took mature magazines and movies away from kids, we should do the same for games.

    I don't mind T or Teen rated games available, but Mature titles should only be allowed at NewStands.

    Just my .02 as a game developer and father of 2 boys.

    Game on !!!

    DaDakota

    PS. BF1942 just released a new map today..Coral Sea...it rocks.
     
  17. Major

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    Many things the masses enjoy have negative consequences.

    You are responsible for the decisions you choose to make.


    No one said otherwise. There's no rule that says there's only ONE cause for anything that happens in the world. Other things can contribute to it.

    For example, you withhold food and water from a prisoner, torture him, and terrorize him, and he attacks you, then you don't think you have some responsibility for it, even though he made the decision to attack you?

    Of course its the person's fault ultimately. As a society, though, we look for ways to make it less likely that someone else will kill you. That involves looking at lifestyles and conditions of society that tend to encourage or create said behavior. To dismiss this type of evidence of actual effects on brainwaves as irrelevent because it doesn't demonstrate responsibility is silly. To go on and imply there's no correlation is even sillier:

    <I>Well, if there is a correlation, I'm curious to see how many Donkey Kong'ers are climbing ladders, jumping barrels, and saving damsels in distress, </I>
     
  18. acejeff5

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    thats why I buy them ! bout time they recognize! keep it up :-D
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    I posted this, and I love playing video games long after everyone is asleep. But I'm not going to ignore the effects of playing violent video games after 6 hours non-stop. I know an op/ed piece like this doesn't hold too much water, but I have read studies with similar results (don't have the links offhand). This isn't about accountability or attacking one of your vices, it's about understanding what could and might fuel your aggression towards others. Playing Counterstrike for hours and hours probably won't drive you to snipe people behind crates, but it could lead you to answer your problems with violence instead of thinking of other means to solve them.
     
  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    :mad: :mad: :mad:

    Man if that Invisible Fan was here I would ring his scronny little neck, damn camper.

    :mad: :mad: :mad:

    :D
     

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