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veteran arrested at v.a. for wearing veterans for peace shirt

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  1. jo mama

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    http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_956.shtml

    Busted for wearing a peace T-shirt; has this country gone completely insane?
    By Mike Ferner
    Online Journal Contributing Writer

    Jul 5, 2006, 01:49

    Friday afternoon, drinking a cup of coffee while sitting in the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center on Chicago's south side, a Veterans Administration cop walked up to me and said, "Okay, you've had your 15 minutes, it's time to go."

    "Huh?" I asked intelligently, not quite sure what he was talking about.

    "You can't be in here protesting," Officer Adkins said, pointing to my Veterans For Peace shirt.

    "Well, I'm not protesting, I'm having a cup of coffee," I returned, thinking that logic would convince Adkins to go back to his earlier duties of guarding against serious terrorists.

    Flipping his badge open, he said, "No, not with that shirt. You're protesting and you have to go."

    Beginning to get his drift, I said firmly, "Not before I finish my coffee."

    He insisted that I leave, but still not quite believing my ears, I tried one more approach to reason.

    "Hey, listen. I'm a veteran. This is a V.A. facility. I'm sitting here not talking to anybody, having a cup of coffee. I'm not protesting and you can't kick me out."

    "You'll either go or we'll arrest you," Adkins threatened.

    "Well, you'll just have to arrest me," I said, wondering what strange land I was now living in.

    You know the rest. Handcuffed, led away to the facility's security office, past people with surprised looks on their faces, read my rights, searched, and written up.

    The officer who did the formalities, Eric Ousley, was professional in his duties. When I asked him if he was a vet, it turned out he had been a hospital corpsman in the Navy. We exchanged a couple sea stories. He uncuffed me early. And he allowed as to how he would only charge me with disorderly conduct, letting me go on charges of criminal trespass and weapons possession -- a pocket knife -- which he said would have to be destroyed (something I rather doubt since it was a nifty Swiss Army knife with not only a bottle opener, but a tweezers and a toothpick).

    After informing me I could either pay the $275 fine on the citation or appear in court, Ousley escorted me off the premises, warning me if I returned with "that shirt" on, I'd be arrested and booked into jail.

    I'm sure I could go back to officers Adkins' and Ousleys' fiefdom with a shirt that said, "Nuke all the hajis," or "Show us your t***," or any number of truly obscene things and no one would care. Just so it's not "that shirt" again.

    And just for the record? I'm not paying the fine. I'll see Adkins and Ousley and Dubya's Director of the Dept. of Veterans Affairs, if he wants to show up, in United States District Court on the appointed date. And if there's a Chicago area attorney who'd like to take the case, I'd really like to sue them -- from Dubya on down. I have to believe that this whole country has not yet gone insane, just the government. This kind of behavior can't be tolerated. It must be challenged.

    I was at the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center because I'm participating in the Voices for Creative Nonviolence's 30-day, 320-mile "Walk for Justice," from Springfield to North Chicago, Illinois, to reclaim funding for the common good and away from war.
    Mike Ferner served as a Navy corpsman during Vietnam War and is obviously a member of Veterans For Peace. He can be reached at: mike.ferner@sbcglobal.net.
     
  2. CometsWin

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    That is one dastardly looking shirt. That guy is just begging to be sent to Gitmo.
     
  3. MadMax

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    why do i have a feeling there's another side to this story?
     
  4. Ubiquitin

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    Because it sounds like he is playing victim? I wouldn't be surprised if it was true to his story, though. Some people really hate the peace movement and find it threatening.
     
  5. ima_drummer2k

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    No, no...I'm sure it went down exactly as he says. Are you doubting this blog?
     
  6. bnb

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    and he wants to sue the bastards from Dubya on down.

    There's your other side.

    Although a $275 fine and threat of future arrest does seem out of line for what sounds like a very peaceful protest.
     
  7. jo mama

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    i hope there is another side to this story. this guy makes it sound like he was arrested for simply wearing a tee-shirt and nothing else. its not like there is a precedent for this...wait, yes there is.

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/03/04/iraq.usa.shirt.reut/

    A lawyer was arrested late Monday and charged with trespassing at a public mall in the state of New York after refusing to take off a T-shirt advocating peace that he had just purchased at the mall.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/31/sheehan.arrest/

    Peace activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested Tuesday in the House gallery after refusing to cover up a T-shirt bearing an anti-war slogan before President Bush's State of the Union address.

    http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=14041

    Nicole and Jeff Rank were removed from the event in handcuffs after revealing T-shirts with President Bush's name crossed out on the front. Nicole Rank's shirt had the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back and Jeff Rank's had "Regime change starts at home" on the back.

    http://www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.php?aid=687

    A Fayetteville man was arrested for criminal trespass Saturday at the Northwest Arkansas Mall when he and other members of a University of Arkansas student group attempted to enter the facility wearing T-shirts emblazoned with antiwar slogans.

    Daniel Vaught, 22, a member of the university’s Progressive Student Association, said he tried to enter the mall’s north entrance after he and his fellow PSA members had been demonstrating around Fayetteville. "Some of us had been demonstrating down on College and Dickson," Vaught said. "We just went to the mall for some lunch, but security wouldn’t let us in."

    The group members ’ shirts bore the slogans "Support the troops, not war or Bu $ h." "They met us at the curb and said we weren’t welcome," he said. "They told us our shirts were the reason."
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    Why not just walk around the "guard"?
     
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    Anyone who doesn't support our great President and his heroic war effort is certainly a traitor, and probably a commie.

    I don't think we are doing enough to suppress dissent. You folks do realize that everytime you say ANYTHING against the war, it is like you are rubbing salt in the wounds of an injured American soldier and you are helping Osama Bin Laden. Everything else is just lies told by the liberal biased media.
     
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    I'm guessing the medical centre is some sort of veterans hospital.

    What better place to protest the war??
     
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    There's your freedom of speech/expression...

    I was just watching a documentary about Chris Jackson (aka Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf) the other day...interesting documentary to say the least.
     
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    from what he claims, he wasnt protesting. just wearing a tee-shirt that says veterans for peace. maybe if he was wearing one that said veterans for war that would be o.k. yeah for war!!!

    maybe he had a conversation w/ someone else there and was overheard by someone who didnt like what he had to say, but i highly doubt he was in there picketing the war or just publicly speaking out.
     
  14. losttexan

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    I swear, if we could just get rid of that pesky 1st Amendment. Don't they know that the fouding fathers put that in so people could talk about their day, not to rail against the government?
     
  15. bnb

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    You may be right jo.

    But he was also there as part of a movement called Voices for Creative Non Violence. I have no idea what that group's about. And the tee-shirt was a part of his 'creative non violence' -- i'm guessing. It doesn't seem he was there for any other reason. How is that not a protest?

    The guard certainly thought it was. If he felt the shirt was simply offensive, wouldn't he just ask him to cover it up?

    I'm not saying the guard was right. Just trying to understand the whole story And I am generally uncomfortable with using vet centers and hospitals as places of protest.
     
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    I recommend that Mr. Ferner return to the V.A. facility, but wear a different t-shirt this time. A collage of shrapnel laden Iraqi's, with lots and lots of blood and brains and intestines ooozing out...and a slogan below that reads "Support the Pentagon." And the t-shirt itself should be of the imported variety, preferably from a place like the Dominican Republic. The 11 year old girls there do the best stitching and don't sweat all over the shop nearly as much as the 14 year old girls in El Salvador.
     
  17. losttexan

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    I am uncomfortabe with protests at VA centers. Unless further evidence is brought forth we can have doubts, but just to assume this guy is not telling the whole story would be wrong. Do we agree that to wear a shirt that opposes Bush's agenda is the same as wearing a shirt that supports Bush's agenda as far as making a public political stance and that one should be treated as equally as the other?
     
  18. bnb

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    As an aside, i should state that the idea of arresting him for wearing a t-shirt is absurd. Crazy really. And i still don't grasp why he's being dinged $275 unless he somehow breached some other rule.

    He should be allowed to protest if he's being peaceful about it and otherwise entitled to be on the premises.

    And I'll call him out if I think his choice of venue is in poor taste. Such is the workings of civil liberties.

    And there appears to be a lot more to this story than a random man being hauled off for innocently wearing a t-shirt.
     
  19. ima_drummer2k

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    Why is that wrong? He is accusing this guard of arresting him for simply drinking a cup of coffee while wearing a shirt. Is the guard guilty until proven innocent? I'm not saying the guy is lying, I'm just saying he's giving one side of the story and you have to admit, the guy clearly has an agenda. Something tells me he didn't just throw that shirt on because it was his only clean shirt and I don't think he was at the VA Hospital just for the delicious tasting coffee...

    Yes, because everything is black and white. There is no grey area, no middle ground.

    People who aren't neccasarily comfortable with protests at VA Hospitals are clearly just Bush-bots who want to suppress all dissent and throw anyone who disagrees with the war in Iraq into a cell at Guantanamo and throw away the key.
     
  20. halfbreed

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    Wow. You guys amaze me. You bash the Bushbots for blindly accepting anything Pro-Bush yet you accept this guy's story at face value?
     

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