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Very Few Afghans in Taliban Strongholds know about 9/11

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  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

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    This article gives some insight into why we are having such problem winning over Afghan heart and minds as few in the Taliban strongholds of Helmund and Kandahar know about why we are in Afghanistan in the first place.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40273302/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia

    Study: Few Afghans know about 9/11, reason for war
    92 percent of men in key province are unaware of 2001 attacks on U.S.

    KABUL — Afghans in two crucial southern provinces are almost completely unaware of the September 11 attacks on the United States and don't know they precipitated the foreign intervention now in its 10th year, a new report showed on Friday.

    NATO leaders gathered in Lisbon for a summit on Friday where the transition from foreign forces — now at about 150,000 — to Afghan security responsibility will be at the top of the agenda, with leaders to discuss a 2014 target date set by Kabul.
    Story: Obama at NATO summit to plan Afghan pullout

    Few Afghans in Helmand and Kandahar provinces, Taliban strongholds where fighting remains fiercest, know why foreign troops are in Afghanistan, says the "Afghanistan Transition: Missing Variables" report to be released later on Friday.
    The report by The International Council on Security and Development (ICOS) policy think-tank showed 92 percent of 1,000 Afghan men surveyed in Helmand and Kandahar know nothing of the hijacked airliner attacks on U.S. targets in 2001.

    "The lack of awareness of why we are there contributes to the high levels of negativity toward the NATO military operations and made the job of the Taliban easier," ICOS President Norine MacDonald told Reuters from Washington.

    "We need to explain to the Afghan people why we are here, and both convince them and show them that their future is better with us than the Taliban," MacDonald said.

    The report said there was a continued "relationship gap" between Afghans and the international community, describing the lack of understanding as "dramatic."
    U.S.-backed Afghan forces toppled the Islamist Taliban government in late 2001 for sheltering al-Qaida leaders who plotted the 9/11 attacks that killed about 3,000 people.

    The war has now dragged into its 10th year and violence is at its worst, despite a record number of foreign troops, with military and civilian casualties at their highest levels.

    Exit timetable
    Attention is now focused on an exit timetable. U.S. President Barack Obama, who will review his Afghanistan war strategy next month, wants to begin withdrawing U.S. troops from July 2011.

    European NATO leaders, under pressure at home to justify their continued commitment to an increasingly unpopular war, are following a similar timetable. Some are withdrawing troops and others are looking to move from combat to training roles.
    While Afghan President Hamid Karzai has set a target of 2014, NATO's civilian representative in Afghanistan, Mark Sedwill, said this week "eye-watering levels of violence by Western standards" might mean the transition spills into 2015.

    That throws the emphasis back on the Afghan government — widely seen as so corrupt and inept that it is unable to support itself — and the readiness of Afghan forces to take over.
    The ICOS report showed 61 percent of respondents in Helmand and Kandahar believe Afghan security forces would not be able to provide adequate security when foreign forces withdraw, and that 56 percent believe the Afghan police are helping the Taliban.

    It noted there was clear "potential for the Afghan security forces to switch sides" after being trained by NATO forces.

    The report said 81 percent of those interviewed in the south thought al-Qaida would return to Afghanistan if the Taliban regained power, and that 72 percent thought al-Qaida would again use the country to launch attacks against the West.

    'Negative blowback'
    ICOS senior policy analyst Jorrit Kamminga said the "negative blowback" of the foreign presence could be managed by addressing the chronic poverty, food shortages, unemployment and displacement faced by ordinary Afghans.

    The report noted improvements in some areas of the south, with the number of people in Marjah, a key battleground in Helmand, who thought NATO-led forces were winning the war almost doubling to 64 percent between June and October 2010.

    It was also a very different picture in the north, with 80 percent of 500 men interviewed in Parwan and Panjshir provinces thinking the central government was protecting their interests.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    So you think if they knew about it, it would change anything?
     
  3. CrazyDave

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    I find that hard to believe.
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    I don't know but I admit I chuckled* thinking about it from the Afghan perspective.

    "WTF? We're being invaded again? Who the heck are these people?"


    *I admit, my karma took a hit here.
     
  5. s land balla

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    Me too. It's been 9 years. News might travel slow to some isolated parts of the world, but not that slow.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Agreed.
     
  7. mc mark

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    That's okay; 47% of Americans don't even know Republicans just took the house in an election
     
  8. weslinder

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    And this right here is why most people fight in most wars. Even back in the Civil War, most confederate grunts didn't fight for slavery, states' rights, or anything like that. They fought to keep those guys in blue from burning their houses down.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    My mind is blown, but I don't think I disbelieve it.

    Maybe we should conduct a push poll.
     
  10. rhester

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    Trying to stop terrorism with the military is like trying to keep fire ants out of your yard by sticking firecrackers in the visible mounds.

    Terrorism is not a combatant it is a tactic.

    Terrorism is not a conventional military tactic but a covert action.

    The CIA should be fighting terrorism not the military.

    Bring the troops home now.
     
  11. s land balla

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    You forgot to consider our ulterior motives.
     
  12. glynch

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    90 Percent of AFghans don't know the difference between a dirty commie ruskie and a peace loving American over there to help them out. Just some more white guys with strangely some black guys and a few brown ones that wierdly don't speak Arabic or any local language. Just some more invaders to try to repel.

    Prediction: this spring after the snow melts the Taliban/Afghans will go on their 30th plus annual spring offensive agains the invaders.
     
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  14. rhester

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    We might as well be saying we are still looking for WMDs.
     
  15. Mr. Brightside

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    I bet 90% of Afghani's don't know that America is #1 either.
     
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  16. rocketsjudoka

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    It probably won't change much but it does help to better understand why the Taliban continues to get support. For many Afghans we invaded them for no good reason.

    On the flip side though many Americans are also ignorant of the history of US involvement in the Middle East.
     
  17. Billy Bob

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    As un-inclined as most Americans are with global events, I'm sure Afghans are even less knowledgeable considering the availability of their media outlets. 9/11 was a big deal to us, but to them, it's probably like asking the average American if they knew Saddam Hussian was on our side at one time.
     
  18. durvasa

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    Even if they knew about 9/11, they'd probably still think they were invaded for no good reason and I don't blame them.

    Would any American be cool with their country being invaded, causing widespread starvation and death, if some terrorists supported by the CIA killed a few thousand people overseas?
     
  19. ChrisBosh

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    Considering their backwardness I doubt they would care why foreign troops are on their land. All they've seen is conflict from people invading their borders, are they really going to be trusting of foreigners? Their two choices are the extremist Taliban and the drug lords who happen to be the puppet government of the West. Alqueida in Afghan is dead I don't get what the conflict now is all about, people just need to leave these people alone and let them solve their own issues. The Taliban isn't a threat to the US in any way once withdrawn. They might harbor terrorists in the future, but its not as if the US intelligence won't know about it. I don't get the end game.
     
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    The scariest thing is that I don't think there is an endgame.

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