[color=cc0033]NOTE: This thread was created on this topic from the original posts in this thread and merged with another that was started. -- Clutch[/color] take this with a grain of salt....on the radio in NYC, our favorite reporter, peter vescey had some "insider info" about the rockets. it apears that toronto would be willing to take mo if we throw in deke...in return we have to take one of thier bad contracts....jalen rose. of course its just pete playing around on realGM. but just for fun, i think i would do it. i would hate to lose deke, but love to lose mo. i guess jalen would be a good 3rd scorer, extra ball handler, good rebounder for a 3. his contract ends when its time to give yao the max so it doesn't bother us that much. i know its only a stupid vescey rumor but at least its finaly a freakin rumor!
I am sure Toronto would do it. They get an expiring contract in Mutombo and Taylor and give up Rose who they dont want anyway. As far as they are concerned they cut payroll and cut out a team cancer. They would take Taylor for that. IF the Rockets did something like that I would push to try to get Donyell Marshall somehow (Seems like Taylor and Marshall on the team is redundant). Or at least swap Lamond Murray for Spoon (years and salaries are similar). That would give us more shooting. Anyway, Taylor and Rose's contracts both end at the same time. Rose just makes a ton more. Rose's on the court production could probably help this team in terms of getting us a 3rd scorer, someone that can create for himself and others and someone that can drive to the basket. However I wonder about Rose the "teammate". Seems like everywhere he has gone he has been labeled a cancer. Whether it is that deal or another deal, I think it is obvious that the only way this team can "improve" is to make a deal similar to that one where we take a LARGER salary on (Rose) for a smaller salary in Taylor..... I dont think I ever thought I would say "Taylor" and "Small salary" in the same sentence!
Jalen Rose's contract is huge, but is the same length as Mo's. Jalen Rose is not much of a passer, but passing ISN'T our problem this year. At 6-8, he can theoretically play the 1-2-3 positons. The problem is, we'd have to get a big in return also, if we're giving up both Taylor and Deke. There's no way the Raptors give up Loren Woods, so would they give up Matt Bonner? Houston trades: Mo Taylor, Dikembe Mutombo, Bostjan Nachbar Houston receives: Jalen Rose, Matt Bonner Any takers?
As bad as the Rockets are, there are plenty of garbage teams out there also who want to change things up too.
Who is Matt Bonner? How about Donyell Marshall instead. I mean with Bosh, Taylor and Marshall, their PF rotation is crowded.
Donyell Marshall would be preferred, I just don't see them doing it. Bonner's a 6-10 rookie out of Florida. Brian Cardinal clone. He gets about 17 mpg, 7 points, 3.5 boards. Kind of a Scott Padgett type player, but more of a true PF and less of a quasi SF.
He also talked about a trade of Jim Jackson and Bostjan Nachbar for Rodney White and Nene, that would be nice.
Ever since Lenard went down and there started to be alot of rumors swirling that they would use Nene to acquire another SG, I always thought JJ would be a guy they would love to have. He is a veteran leader to put on that young team and a player who can do everything well. Plus, his contract is pretty good. Works for both teams as well. I just hope they could swing something else to get a better SF, cause a rotation of White/Bowen doesn't sound to appealing to me.
To solve your small forward situation.... How about Jalen Rose for Taylor+Mutombo if (and that's a BIG IF) you were able to do the Nene deal. Sura Tmac Rose Nene Yao Not saying I would do the Rose deal, just throwing that out there since he is being rumored to be traded.
Yes, the two deals in combination make a lot more sense for the Rockets. Actually, it would be a miracle if they could get them both done. The Toronto deal alone leaves you thinner then you already are in the frontcourt. The Denver deal alone, as mentioned, leaves you with White and Bowen as your SF's. Both deals together significantly improves you starting lineup, imo. The bench still sucks, though you've added White and potentially a Matt Bonner type. If you could get Donyell Marshall out of it as well, CD would once again be a genius... Until that team also fails to score over 85 points a game ever and continues to lose, then CD will suck again and JVG will need to be fired some more.
That sounds like a lot of fun...anything to get rid of Mo (or Howard, or Spoon) and improve the talent base overall. Getting a contract that isn't longer than Mo's in Rose's is a bonus. Although we're left with a huge hole at backup C. Yao is looking semi-tired as it is...we've sorely needed every one of Deke's boards and blocks and minutes. Can Nene slide over? Probably for the same 10-15 mpg that Deke got..but be prepared for Juwan to get more minutes.
Trash + expiring contract = valuable trade bait Trash + long contract = untradable If Ward doesn't have a 3-year guarantee contract, he would be hot commodity now.
I believe Ward has a 3 year contract but only TWO of the years are guaranteed (I think the last year is a TEAM option). And there is NO WAY, at any time in the future he will be a "hot commodity." LOL Even when next year is up, he is only making like 2M a season. When people look for expiring contracts usually they look for ones that are much higher like Spoon's after next season at 6M.
In Year 2006 season, The Rocket pay roll will be like this Tmac 17M Rose 17M Yao 10M Tmac + Rose + Yao = 44M No roll palyers afford, just a three man team, great idea Deuce.
rose's contract ends the year yao's max kicks in. we would never have to pay all 3 that kind of money at the same time.
Yeha btu Taylor same yr cmes off cap so dsen't matter ? It's not about how much a player makes annually, it's about the length of the deal. We're capped out regardless, so if Les is willing to pay the extra $9million, this deal would be a possibility. And quite frankly, what the hell do you expect? We have nothing to offer but garbage, so it's only deals like this one that we could possibly make. Rose is only 31, and is a legit scorer. He's a cancer sure, but he can flat out fill it up. I'de think long and hard about this one. As far as Nene, outside of the superstars, there probably isn't a power forward in the league other than Chandler that I'de rather have on this team. Seems far fetched that he could be had for so little.
would the raptors consider this? : mo, deke, boki, lue, gaines for rose, donyell mo and deke for rose is obvious why it works for the raps but they would have woods, deke, aroujo, moiso, bosh, mo, donyell, all at the 4 and 5. they need a backup PG, and boki can fill in at the 3 for rose...not that he will start, but at least they have someone else to play at the position. lue and boki are young and come off the books at the end of the year aswell. so if things don't work out toronto can just let them go. this might work well for both teams. yao-spoon don-JH-pad rose-bowen mac-jj sura-AB-ward woods-deke-aroujo bosh-mo-moiso VC-murry-boki mopete-gaines alston-lue all we would have left to do is trade JH and our pick for a backup center. he doesn't even have to be good, just big.
