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Valentine's day "un-islamic"?

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-as-not-part-of-islamic-culture-a6873226.html

    Indonesia bans celebrating St Valentine's Day because it's 'not part of Islamic culture'

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    Officials and clerics in the world's most populous Muslim nation have banned Indonesians from celebrating Valentine's Day because they believe the observance runs against Islamic teachings.

    In Banda Aceh, the capital of the devout Muslim province of Aceh, thousands of high school students held rallies rejecting the celebration of Valentine's Day.

    The mayor, Illiza Sa'aduddin Djamal, and officials joined Saturday's rallies which were held in four locations in the city's downtown area.

    "The Valentine's Day celebration has become a culture," Illiza said.

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    The mayor added that the rallies were aimed at making young people aware that Valentine's Day is not part of Islamic culture.

    St Valentine's Day is thought to have roots in a pagan fertility festival in ancient Rome, was further cemented by the death of a Christian martyr called St Valentine, with the idea coming to public consciousness through British literary giants Chaucer and Shakespeare.

    The bans were imposed in many Indonesian cities. A similar rally by junior high school students was held in Surabaya, Indonesia's second-largest city.

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    In Makassar, the capital of South Sulawesi province, a noted Muslim youth group called Pemuda Muslimin Indonesia told Muslims in the province to stay away from the celebration.

    The influential Indonesian Council of Clerics has repeatedly declared the 14 February celebration as an observance stemming from another faith, saying that celebrating it would be the same as promoting faiths other than Islam.

    In Russia, meanwhile, the day has been banned before because, according to Grigory Bolotnov, a spokesperson at the governor's office, it is “not a Russian tradition and it doesn’t teach good moral values to Russian youth."

    Nearly 90 percent of Indonesia's 265 million people are Muslim.

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-valentines-day-as-anti-muslim-a6873061.html

    Valentine's Day condemned by Pakistan President because it has nothing to do with Muslims
    Conservative religious groups ban shop keepers from selling flowers and cards in northern districts


    Valentine's Day is a Western construct that clashes with Muslim culture, Pakistan's President has said as the country's religious groups try to ban celebrations.

    Mamnoon Hussain, of the Pakistan Muslim League party, told students the day for red roses and love cards has no links to Pakistani culture and should not be celebrated.

    “Valentine’s Day has no connection with our culture,” he said at an event on Friday in which he urged young people to “always maintain their religious and national identity,” according to the Wall Street Journal.

    Although Valentines's Day remains popular among many Pakistani, with street vendors selling flowers and ballons and restaurants offering special deals for two, religious groups have long denounced the day for romance as decadent.

    Across the country, conservative religious groups such as the Jamaat-e-Islami, one of Pakistan’s largest Islamist parties, have called on people to celebrate "Modest Day".

    In the northern Kohat district shop keepers have been banned from selling any Valentines flowers and cards.

    The area is run by a religious political party and borders Pakistan's conservative tribal areas.

    Furth north, Peshawar authorities decried the day as "useless" and voted to ban any Valentine's Day celebrations to stop young people from being misled by non-Muslims values.

    But officials later told BBC Urdu the bans had been ignored by most of the local population.

    "Valentine's Day has no legal grounds, and secondly it is against our religion, therefore it was banned," Kohat district administrator Maulana Niaz Muhammad told the BBC Urdu.

    Conservative religious groups fear Valentine's Day could encourage obscene behaviour and see it as a festival of immorality, detriment to the tradition of the marriage and an assault on Muslim values.

    Exchanging gifts and flowers is not perceived as a negative thing in Pakistan but they believe this should not be reserved to one day in the year.
     
  2. Ubiquitin

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    I wish Valentine's day was "un-American".
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    It's one thing to personally not like it, and to think it's too commercialized and whatever. What do you think about Islamic governments banning it out of intolerance for what is perceived as "non-Islamic" by them?
     
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    Reactionary and petty.
     
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    puts them right in league with Florida high schools.

    observation: the world is full of boring prudes and commercialized love, and neither are particularly pleasant
     
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    Do Florida high schools also stone girls and homosexuals? Right in league?
     
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    Living if fear is not living at all. Serving in fear is not serving at all. A god who demands fear is no god at all.
     
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    It's St. Valentine's day, named after a Christian martyr; so it's completely reasonable to ban it in the context of Islam. I'm not sure how it's different from banning hijabs or minarets. Separate issue from whether or not to run a country based on Islamic teachings or whatever.
     
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    I think the girls and homosexuals get stoned there, and I don't know what Florida MAN has been up to lately, but he probably doesn't either.
     
  10. Northside Storm

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    don't they all demand fear?

    I thought that was the point of religion.

    Happy Valentine's Day for everybody else! More Hallmark cards for the taking :D
     
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  12. R0ckets03

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    Only if these dumb ass countries spent some of their energy improving the livelihood of their citizens as apposed to worrying about something so trivial.

    How do they know Prophet Mohammed, if alive today, would not go out and grab some roses and a valentine's day card?
     
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    Spelling and grammar mistakes, or utilizing a western language aren't un-islamic apparently?
     
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    If you sell roses in Montreal,Quebec Canada and you attach a card next to it saying

    " happy valantaine ", the local government will shut your business and force you to pay fines

    It should be" bonne Saint-Valentin", and yes its due to culture preservation

    Anyway ,it's not Catholic ,Jewish or Muslims thing. And no one give a crap if you don't

    celebrate after Ramadan or hanakah
     
  15. Mr. Clutch

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    Why doesn't Moes celebrate it?
     
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    Considering I googled this and could find nothing other than several Montreal websites wishing people Happy Valentine's Day, I'd love to see links to your source for this. Thanks.
     
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    Oh my god, (and not Allah) - these Moslem are horrible, now they ALL hate V-day? Hallmark curse them!

    It's clear we should all look down on all Moslems and think they have problems. Hakeem - shame on you!
     
  18. R0ckets03

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    Prolly cause Lim didn't wanna put out?
     
  19. Exiled

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    Sure ...try :

    office de la langue Francaise

    Or

    Lesage Jean

    Or

    Take the words of these web sites

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...argets_stores_use_of_english_on_facebook.html

    And it worked for Quebecan like a charm, their frensh is more original and older than the French spoken today in France it self ,as a matter of fact ,no other French speaker can understand their French completely with ease, it's a bit hard
     
  20. Northside Storm

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    um coming from Montreal proper, I can tell you the problem isn't sexual inhibition or terror at the concept of St Valentines or its cultural implications, but rather archaic and terrible language laws that should be dismantled posthaste. Not sure what analogy you are trying to make, but Valentines is quite celebrated there (I say there as I have moved just recently).

    we're restricting this thread to make fun of prudes, of which Montreal has probably none.

    As for having it work like a charm, I'm not sure how having my accent throw off Moroccans (<< Eh mec! >>) or Parisians (<< Putain!>>) is particularly helpful to Quebec or me.
     

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