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Va. Congressman Fears Election Of 'Many More Muslims'

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  1. Ottomaton

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    This seemed like choice D&D material...

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    Va. Congressman Fears Election Of 'Many More Muslims'

    WASHINGTON - A Virginia congressman has warned that "many more Muslims" will be elected demanding to use the Quran unless immigration is tightened. Republican Rep. Virgil Goode made the comment in a letter to constituents who had written in about Congressman-elect Keith Ellison's decision to use the Quran at his ceremonial swearing-in.

    "I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way," Goode wrote.

    "The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration, there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran," he said. "I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America."

    Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat, is the first Muslim elected to Congress. He was born in Detroit and converted to Islam in college.

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a civil rights group, called on Goode to apologize for the letter.

    "Representative Goode's Islamophobic remarks send a message of intolerance that is unworthy of anyone elected to public office," said Corey Saylor, legislative director for CAIR. "There can be no reasonable defense for such bigotry."

    Saylor said Goode's remarks follow a recent commentary by radio talk show host Dennis Prager, a member of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council. Prager that swearing an oath on the Quran "undermines American civilization." CAIR has asked President George W. Bush to remove Prager from the taxpayer-supported council.

    A spokesman for Goode said no apology was forthcoming, and that the congressman stands by the letter.

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  2. Ubiquitin

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    Using the Qur'an? What is he moaning about?
     
  3. Nolen

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    He has "core values."
     
  4. windfern

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    I'm afraid the congressman is right.
     
  5. leroy

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    I don't even know what to say about that. The man isn't a christian. Why should he be forced to use the bible? What if a jewish representative chose to be sworn in on the torah? My honest opinion is that those elected to office should be sworn in on a copy of the Consitiution, not any religious document.

    What a jackass.
     
  6. Ubiquitin

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    No one swears in on a religious doctrine, though...
     
  7. MadMax

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    swearing an oath on the Koran would be worthless to me.

    a muslim swearing an oath on a book he finds heretical would be worthless to him.

    if the man wants to overturn democracy, he should start his revolution. otherwise, he should be quiet about it and try to engage the congressman-elect instead of ostracizing him...he might just learn something.
     
  8. tigermission1

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    The Congressman has a right to his own opinion, and he certainly isn't alone in that regard.

    There's nothing 'outrageous' about his statement, he simply happens to share a commonly held belief amongst millions and millions of conservative Christians of our fellow citizens that this IS a 'Christian nation', founded on "Christian principles".
     
  9. bnb

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    There is a lot 'outrageous' about his comment.

    Is he fearful of Buddists, Hindus, Jews and other religions? Does he recognize the difference between Muslims and terrorists?

    Has he heard of Hakeem Olajowan or Kareem Abdul Jabar? Malcom X? Muhammad Ali?

    Perhaps listened to Cat Stevens or John Coltrane?

    Does he realize Islam is the worlds second largest religion?

    The man is a loon. He deserves to be called out.
     
  10. windfern

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    Does this mean that majority of the voters in Min. are Muslims? Or people there are just too much fed up with republicans?
     
  11. MadMax

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    Which is bothersome to me, because what I get out of Jesus Christ is that YOU are a child of God and loved. Not because of what you believe about Him, but because of what He believes about you. That everyone has incredible worth in the eyes of God.

    And then we have to try to explain who Jesus actually is to people who've only seen him through "believers" who spew xenophobia, exclusivity, and hate.

    Probably how you feel about those who hijack your faith for political purposes. Who equate God with political power. Or at least attempt to use Him as a means to that end.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    I have a fear that more congressmen like Virgil will be elected.
     
  13. hotballa

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    That's not a common "belief" that this nation was found by Christians on Christian principles. It's fact plain and simple. Just read American History 101 textbook and look at the documents drawn up.
     
  14. hotballa

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    He's got a right to his opinion by the way. Why does every single person get labeled a loon simply because he doesn't like everyone in the world. Hey guess what, that's the way the world is. There are some peopel who don't like Chinese people, that's fine I don't like those people either. I wish people would develop a thicker skin sometimes.
     
  15. Franchise2001

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    This is an 'outrageous' statment, he simply happens to share a commonly held IDIOTIC belief amongst millions and millions of UNEDUCATED conservative Christians of our fellow citizens that this is a 'Christian nation', founded on 'Christian nation', founded on "Christian principles".
     
  16. emjohn

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    I propose an amendment to the Constitution, limiting freedom of religion to only those religions sanctioned by the Christian Coalition.

    That's the American way!

    Evan
     
  17. serious black

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    Maybe I'm wrong, but it appears to me that the very first line in the very first amendment to a certain 'document drawn up' around the time of the founders seems to disagree with you. Maybe your History 101 textbook mentions the 'document,' I can't seem to remember what it is called.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
     
  18. Franchise2001

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    Thank you... this country was founded so that all people of all religions can live without fear of persecution because of their beliefs. I'm sick and tired of hearing that this nation is a "founded on christian beliefs." This might deserve its own thread, but this is wrong and dangerous propoganda.
     
  19. Franchise2001

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    lol.. looks like ill be converting to a Jew for Jesus :D
     
  20. Franchise2001

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    Actually, you just proved him right.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" - How is this not clear cut to you? Congress can't pass laws that put one religion over another (or over those who do not have a religion). Hence no more prayer in public schools or religious symbols in government buildings.

    "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" - It is a person's natural right to believe in and practice ANY religion he or she wants. If someone wants to worship the devil, join the KKK, pray to Jesus/Allah/God/Ahura Mazda/Buddha/David Hasselhoff then they have every right to do so.


    In case you feel like educating yourself a little more. This line of the "document" is called the ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE. Feel free to read more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_clause
     

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