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[UW Study] Tea Party out of step with conservative mainstream

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  1. Refman

    Refman Contributing Member

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    I saw this in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. It is interesting. Enjoy...


    Study: Tea Party 'out of step with mainstream conservatism'

    Tea Party members aren't your average, run-of-the-mill conservatives.

    That's according to a University of Washington professor and two graduate students. They surveyed 31 Tea Party websites to analyze how the group's values compare with more general conservative views.

    The conclusion: "Tea Party ideas are at the margins of conservative political discourse."

    So much for latent dissatisfaction building among the American public.

    The study compared the content to Tea Party websites in 11 states to articles published in the National Review, a leading conservative publication. (The states where sites were surveyed were either battleground states in the 2008 election or places where there's significant Tea Party activity.)

    "If the tea party is in the conservative mainstream, as it claims to be, we should see few differences between what is expressed on its sites, and what is expressed on a mainstream conservative site such as the National Review," said UW professor Christopher Parker. "However, that's clearly not the case."

    Here are key points from the study's findings:

    * 14 percent of Tea Party content focused on the size of government compared to 39 percent of National Review content.
    * 24 percent of Tea Party content focused on conspiratorial themes (for example, socialism or communism overtaking America), compared to 5 percent of National Review content.
    * 10 percent of Tea Party content focused on patriotism and "taking back our country" compared with less than 1 percent of National Review content.
    * 19 percent of Tea Party content consisted of attacks on illegal immigrants, criticism of the gay community, racially derogatory commentary, or personal criticism of President Barack Obama compared with 10 percent of National Review content.

    There's more about the study and the methodology used by researchers here.

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/217846.asp
     
  2. bingsha10

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    there are about a billion stupid assumptions in this study.
     
  3. mc mark

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    Tea Party's just another word for nothing left to lose....
     
  4. giddyup

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    "Me and Bobby McMark" ;)
     
  5. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Would you care to list some of the problems you have with the study? That would be more helpful at facilitating discussion than just calling it stupid and leaving it at that.
     
  6. Refman

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    Please state your criticisms of the study with specificity and further provide your credentials that would lend credence to you understanding this better than the University of Washington.

    Thanks.
     
  7. Major

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    For starters, using # of articles on something is not really a good measure of anything. The National Review is not going to post articles about "patriotism" or "taking back the country" because it's just not what they do. That doesn't really reflect on whether or not writers at the National Review care about patriotism, and it reflects even less on whether mainstream conservatives are focused on it. The two groups weren't even measured using the same categories (36% of the National Review articles were about foreign policy, which was not even a category in the Tea Party survey). Similarly, they weren't even looked at during the same time frames - the National Review analysis was from 2009.

    The National Review focuses a lot of its content on the details of government policy and on relevant stories coming out of Washington and from Washington politicians. So it's automatically going to focus more on things like that and less on more nebulous things like patriotism and conspiracy theories. It's just the nature of the website. I don't think you can take the content of articles at the National Review and trun that into a proxy for what the importance is of various views to conservatives.

    Even the study itself suggests that their measure of what's on Tea Party websites doesn't match what appears be the primary focus of Tea Partiers:

    Differences in content emerge when comparing the content from official tea party websites to the content from the National Review online, a mainstream conservative commentary. Only fourteen percent of the content from tea party websites focuses on big government or states rights, issues which are supposedly the ultimate concern of the tea party. This is compared to thirty-nine percent of the content examined from the National Review online.

    What are we supposed to make of this? That Tea Partiers don't care about the primary issue that Tea Party cares about? Or that % of articles is a terrible measure of how important something is to a group?

    There are plenty of surveys that compare Tea Partiers' stances on issues and Republicans' stances on issues and then line up extremely well. I think that's more of a measure of how the two groups compare/contrast/overlap.
     
  8. Refman

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    Maybe, but the logical assumption is that the more important an issue is to you, the more you will talk about it.

    A fair critique. I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your post.

    An important distinction here is "articles" versus "content." Content would seem to include more than articles. It would include discussion, forum posts and the like. And if this is the "primary issue Tea Partiers care about," one would think that it would comprise more than 14% of the overall content of their various web outlets.
     
  9. finalsbound

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    why should we trust that the national review is an accurate depiction of "mainstream" conservatism? i mean, how could you even know? i don't doubt the results of the study, but it does seem a bit arbitrary...
     
  10. Refman

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    The National Review is the leading publication subscribed to by conservatives.
     
  11. Major

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    Very good point - I can't tell from the study how they defined content. While I would still have some different criticisms of it, I do think ignoring articles entirely and just comparing forum posts on the National Review and forum posts on the Tea Party would have some value - it would give you a comparative sense of the interest of NR readers and Tea Party website visitors. My biggest concern there is that forum posts are self-selecting from your most hardcore people that like to talk about these issues online, as opposed to the full spectrum of conservatives and tea partiers.

    Similarly, going back to this study, articles on the National Review website will reflect what National Review readers are interested in, as opposed to conservatives in general. I imagine NR readers are (in general) younger, more affluent, more educated, etc than the average person. Same sort of self-selectiveness you find if you look at US demographics vs. Newsweek or The Economist demographics, for example.
     
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    fair enough, but i know many conservatives who haven't even heard of it...why read when you can veg out in front of FNC.

    i'm sure for the purpose of this study it's the most accurate method possible though.
     
  13. Major

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    That would be interesting to add FNC to the comparison. They obviously reach a much larger subsection of the mainstream conservative population. You'd take some of the demographic issues out of the equation, though you still have bias that their content is going to be determined in large part by the news stories of the day. Still a terrible study :), but I'd be curious how their content compares to NR and Tea Party content.
     

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