UT-OSU scuffle

What bull****.

TJ accidentally knocks over an Okie st fan going after a losse ball, bends over to help her up, and her date(or cousin, or brother) goes after him.

Also, another fan tried to kick Ivey as he was going out of bounds as well.

Screw the Cowboys, your fans are hooligans, either move them back from the court, or get adequate security.

 

I know UT fans can be assholes too, but I don't recall anyone physically attacking a member of the opposing team. That was way out of line.

If the opposing player had purposely attacked the fan, I culd understand it, or if with callous aforethought shoved them down - but it was an accident, and Ford was apologizing to the woman he knocked over.

As far as the Sugar Bowl, I think it was Dec 31, 1995.

 

I must've missed this part. It was kinda hard to pick up on everything that was happening. Was this kick part of the big scuffle, or did it happen afterwards?

From what I could see (and I didn't see the kick on Ivey, if it was part of the incident), it looked like kind of a punk move (or lets just say overreacting, to be nice) by Thomas. It looked like he just came in swinging and kicking, after it seemed like everything was about to be calmed down. Again, it was hard to see everything that was going on, but I found myself embarrassed for what Thomas was doing.

Man college rules are so different from the NBA. It looked like the refs had no idea how to respond to the incident. I guess the college kids usually comport themselves in a more classy manner, so this was never a problem?

 

I read Sutton spit at Barnes and someone tried to bite Boddicker.

WTF

Why would Sutton do that?

 

Huh? Sutton seemed embarrassed by the incident. I saw him apologize to Barnes afterward.

 

I had a different interpretation than many fans & the announcers on a couple of things...

<B>I must've missed this part. It was kinda hard to pick up on everything that was happening. Was this kick part of the big scuffle, or did it happen afterwards? </b>

I didn't think this was a purposeful kick. It looked to me like the fan was trying to get out of the way (he was moving away from the action) and his leg stuck out kind of like when someone dives for a ball. I didn't think this was intentional.

<B>From what I could see (and I didn't see the kick on Ivey, if it was part of the incident), it looked like kind of a punk move (or lets just say overreacting, to be nice) by Thomas. </B>

I also didn't see this as a punch. It looked like his palm was out and he was just trying to get people out of his way to get to TJ & company. What his intentions were after that, I don't know, but while he was swinging his arms, I thought it was more with a get out of my way thing than trying to hit people.

<B>I read Sutton spit at Barnes and someone tried to bite Boddicker. </B>

haha.. I didn't see the Boddicker thing, but I wouldn't be surprised. OSU fans *hate* the guy (scuffle last year). Apparently, lots of opposing teams hate the guy!

On Sutton, everything I saw from him was pretty classy. After the game, it looked like he was apologizing to Barnes for the fans (Barnes looked like he said don't worry about it), and when the fans started yelling, Sutton tried to calm them a bit from what the announcer said.

While I don't like Sutton or Sampson (OU Coach) -- mainly because they are our rivals -- I think all three (Barnes) are very classy coaches. I remember 2 years ago (I think), fans started getting pissy and throwing things or chanting or something at OU in the OU/UT game and Sampson got on the microphone and told them to shut up (in a nicer way, of course).

Also, I think teammates will overreact on TJ because he has thatn neck injury. He almost had surgery before the season and decided against it, but that's a scary thing to deal with. Both this "fight" and a previous fight this season involving TJ, the other players were around his neck.

 

The kick happened before the fight started, as Ivey was going out of bounds, though if Major is correct, I may have misinterpreted that.

As far as Thomas, it didn't appear to me that he was punching anyone, just trying to get to Ford, to protect him.

 

Major -- what I saw originally, but what was not on any of the replays, was James Thomas clearly kicking someone. I taped the game, so I'll have to watch it again after I get done typing this while on the pot.

 

Absolute horse****. I'm surprised Barnes didn't take his team off the floor after that ridiculous melee. That OSU trash should be arrested for assault, and we should sue the OSU athletic dept. for lack of security. The players should be able to go on the road and not have to worry about these idiots attacking them.

I don't think James Thomas was out of line either. He was just protecting his teammates. Hell, I would do the same thing, and I would love to have JT on my IM team. I only wish that someone like Ogden had thrown the punch instead. We can't afford to lose JT with Owens already out for the season.

Boddicker schooled OSU last year at Gallagher-Iba Arena. He was taunting fans and was really pumped up- the only time I've seen the guy play physical. Anyways, the fans didn't forget, and I also heard someone tried to bite him today. Not sure if Sutton spit on Barnes though.

 

Someone posted that at Hornfans probably trying to exaggerate the situation.

http://forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwt...=583313&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=

 

<B>Major -- what I saw originally, but what was not on any of the replays, was James Thomas clearly kicking someone. </B>

Oh -- I didn't see that one. I hope Barnes doesn't suspend anyone!

<B>I taped the game, so I'll have to watch it again</B>

Let us know what you see. Also on that kick towards Ivey (as he was jumping the cameras). Puedlfor may be right on the intent -- I just saw it differently but didn't pay too much attention.

<B> after I get done typing this while on the pot.</B>

Yeah, we didn't need to know this.

 

Anybody have a link to the scuffle? I didn't get to see it on television and ESPN.com doesn't have anything about it or the game posted.

 

I hope the osu clown pays. Did anyone see him get arrested? I hope he didn't get off with a warning or just an ejection. I can see the emails flooding the osu president's inbox.

okies are claiming the woman was pregnant which does explain why the guy snapped. He should have helped his woman up instead of trying to prove he's a tough guy. You go for TJ's neck, you are gonna get a beat down. JT snapped too.

Now the okie is being ripped by everyone.

 

Of course, this whole situation detracts from what is a very, very big win for the Horns.

Oklahoma St was undefeated and a Top 5 team, and Texas went into their gym(a notoriously difficult one to win in) and beat them. Texas owns OSU, and is now 11-3 in Big 12 play versus the Cowboys.

Good win.

 

Hmm, maybe I was wrong. This doesn't look real good:

<img src=http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/ncb/2002/0105/photo/a_thomas_i.jpg>

 

OSU released a statement through the AP that the woman was indeed pregnant and the man who snapped was her husband. The man was not arrested, but allowed to take his wife to the hospital for precautions. The police are investigating - I assume charges if any will be filed later.

 

From ESPN.com... The tech makes a little more sense now, I guess.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/mbasketball/recap?gameId=220050144

<I>
The trouble started with 18.1 seconds left and the Longhorns leading 70-60. Ivey and T.J. Ford wound up out of bounds while chasing a loose ball, and Ford collided with a pregnant fan. Ford then was grabbed near the throat by a man identified by Oklahoma State officials as the woman's husband.


Ivey grabbed the man and tried to pull him away from Ford. Meanwhile, James Thomas ran in and threw some overhand punches. Brandon Mouton came over late but didn't appear to get involved.


No players were ejected, but Texas (9-4, 1-0 Big 12) was assessed a technical foul because Fredie Williams left the bench.


"I think things did get out of hand," Mouton said. "I don't think that fans should put their hands on players. I think we were all just trying to protect each other and keep things safe."


The spectator took his wife to the hospital as a precaution, Oklahoma State sports information director Steve Buzzard said, adding that campus police were investigating the fight.


"What the refs told me was, they looked at the tape and definitely T.J. had been put in a headlock by an Oklahoma State student, but they assessed the technical foul because Freddie Williams left the bench, which he can't do," Texas coach Rick Barnes said. "I think when that happened, James and the players went over there and obviously were trying to get him out of there."


Oklahoma State coach Eddie Sutton said it was an unfortunate end to a good game.


"That's disappointing," he said. "Our fans, I don't care, have got to be better behaved than that."
</I>

 

I saw the replay on Fox Sports SW and it looked like Ford was indeed trying to help the woman and see if she was alright before the fan grabbed him violently. I think UT shouldn't do anything to the players (except the one that left the bench).